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Are they any good at their jobs? The article makes it sound like these guys are none too bright and not especially well trained. Are companies just that desper
by jfengel 2y ago
Are they any good at their jobs?
The article makes it sound like these guys are none too bright and not especially well trained. Are companies just that desperate?
- kloop 2y agoMost companies aren't good at tech hiring, and even worse at evaluating engineer output
- 0000000000100 2y agoMy company had an issue like this recently, they just had a smart guy take the interview / handle the paperwork and then a completely different guy show up on their first day. My company is pretty small, so we caught it within an hour of getting him onboarded. But I can see this being trickier in bigger companies, where the hiring process is more disconnected from the team they get assigned to.
- iJohnDoe 2y agoMaybe obvious question. Were in-person or video interviews done? Seems so likely to get caught. So fascinating as well having a person that was paid to do the interview. I guess there is a secret web site where people are waiting to do this as a service?
- jamesfinlayson 2y agoI overheard a case at a recent job where someone did a video interview with their camera off and were very very clever. Then when they turned up to work, they had a different accent and no clue. They got caught out very quickly.
- 0000000000100 2y agoVideo interviews were done, and everything seemed normal at the time. We finally got the impostor to turn his camera on, and I sent a screenshot to the hiring team to confirm. It seems unlikely that someone living in the US would take the test for someone else, since the risk is just too high. I'm pretty sure this is just straight up fraud you can get in trouble for. My bet is that this was a scam setup outside of the country, and they used a stolen identity to get the paperwork cleared.
- Aurornis 2y agoRemote work scammers play the numbers game. Fabricating (stealing) identities and applying to jobs is their full-time job. When you apply for jobs nonstop and can multiply your efforts by applying under a multitude of different names and resumes, eventually you get bites. Push long enough and you might catch a desperate hiring manager who doesn't know how to interview people but is under pressure to fill headcount immediately to hit their KPIs or whatever. They play it like a numbers game. They also get better by constantly A/B testing their process and practicing interviews over and over again.
- ggm 2y agoA very large investment in time which you think would pay back better as an employment assistance company above board.
- jprete 2y agoA huge part of the arbitrage here is cost of living and cost of labor across national borders. They'd never make the same aboveboard doing employment assistance because their clients would all get locally competitive salaries, which are very low compared to getting hired under the pretense of being in the US.
- ggm 2y agoI guess if they put "cheap competent DPRK programmers available for hire" they wouldn't get enough takers.
- jamesfinlayson 2y ago> Are companies just that desperate? Yes. Not too long ago I saw so-so engineer get hired and his manager was desperate enough to overlook some troubling knowledge gaps and the guy's inability to actually do what he was told.