3 ms·

As I said, tech illiterate - or as likely, legally illiterate. It's unreasonable to expect most people to intuit the distinction you describe. However, you do

As I said, tech illiterate - or as likely, legally illiterate. It's unreasonable to expect most people to intuit the distinction you describe. However, you don't see wealthy people communicating on insecure devices, because they have people to take care of that stuff.

SpicyLemonZest 2y ago
I'm really not sure what you're referring to. You see lots of wealthy people communicate on insecure devices, and it's quite common for law enforcement to demand and obtain the contents of their communications. "Look at these terrible messages we subpoenaed" is a staple of white collar criminal prosecutions.
- mandmandam 2y ago
  * White-collar crimes are estimated to make up only 3% of federal prosecutions. * White-collar crime prosecutions decreased 53.5% from 2011 to 2021. * Annual losses from white-collar crimes as of 2021 are anywhere from $426 billion to $1.7 trillion. The wide range here is due to the lack of prosecutions. * There were 4,180 white-collar prosecutions in 2022. * It’s estimated that up to 90% of white-collar crimes go unreported. Etc. - https://www.zippia.com/advice/white-collar-crime-statistics/ https://www.zippia.com/advice/white-collar-crime-statistics/ *** Responding by edit due to rate limit: Guys the connection is clear if you think about it. High-net-worth individuals use encrypted messaging apps more than the general population, without doubt. They also have far more resources and abilities to fight a subpoena. It's all distinctively unfair and highly misleading to normal people; for very little real reason and with great potential for abuse.
  - hollerith 2y ago
    Most prisoners in the US though are state prisoners (i.e., convicted by a state court) not federal prisoners (by a large margin I think). Lots of people are convicted in a state court for example of showing up at a bank branch with fake id and trying to cash a check. I gather that would be considered a white-collar crime?
  - SpicyLemonZest 2y ago
    I don't understand the connection between these statistics and your claim that wealthy people don't use insecure messaging apps.
  - rafram 2y ago
    You change the subject in each comment and it’s not clear how any of this relates to Telegram.

SpicyLemonZest 2y ago

I'm really not sure what you're referring to. You see lots of wealthy people communicate on insecure devices, and it's quite common for law enforcement to demand and obtain the contents of their communications. "Look at these terrible messages we subpoenaed" is a staple of white collar criminal prosecutions.

mandmandam 2y ago
* White-collar crimes are estimated to make up only 3% of federal prosecutions. * White-collar crime prosecutions decreased 53.5% from 2011 to 2021. * Annual losses from white-collar crimes as of 2021 are anywhere from $426 billion to $1.7 trillion. The wide range here is due to the lack of prosecutions. * There were 4,180 white-collar prosecutions in 2022. * It’s estimated that up to 90% of white-collar crimes go unreported. Etc. - https://www.zippia.com/advice/white-collar-crime-statistics/ https://www.zippia.com/advice/white-collar-crime-statistics/ *** Responding by edit due to rate limit: Guys the connection is clear if you think about it. High-net-worth individuals use encrypted messaging apps more than the general population, without doubt. They also have far more resources and abilities to fight a subpoena. It's all distinctively unfair and highly misleading to normal people; for very little real reason and with great potential for abuse.
- hollerith 2y ago
  Most prisoners in the US though are state prisoners (i.e., convicted by a state court) not federal prisoners (by a large margin I think). Lots of people are convicted in a state court for example of showing up at a bank branch with fake id and trying to cash a check. I gather that would be considered a white-collar crime?
- SpicyLemonZest 2y ago
  I don't understand the connection between these statistics and your claim that wealthy people don't use insecure messaging apps.
- rafram 2y ago
  You change the subject in each comment and it’s not clear how any of this relates to Telegram.