3 ms·

The US is on it’s way to becoming a dystopia so not the best argument…

by archerx 2y ago

whimsicalism 2y ago
maybe, but i don't think sealed warrants are the reason
- ipaddr 2y ago
  There purpose is to hide charges as longas possible to deceive or trick which is against a fully transparent process
  - matwood 2y ago
    There are valid reasons, like stopping people from destroying evidence or fleeing.
    - AnthonyMouse 2y ago
      There are also valid reasons the other way, like consulting an attorney to challenge the warrant or prepare a defense before it gets executed, disrupts your life and prevents you from clearing your name because you're being incarcerated without bail. It's hard to investigate the charges against you from a cell. Or the ability of journalists to inform the public of what the government is getting on with in their name. If the government is investigating their critics they have no right to keep it a secret.
  - karaterobot 2y ago
    You're somewhat mistaken. In the U.S., you aren't owed a warning that the cops are looking for you, especially if you're a flight risk. That was never part of it.
hnpolicestate 2y ago
That inconvenient bill of rights keeps us a step or two behind the rest of the anglosphere in decent to tyranny, but only for so long. It just takes a handful of dishonest judges to claim some right actually means something entirely different.
celdon25 2y ago
It has already been a form of one for at least 10 years, just happening too gradually for the average person to realize it.
- threeseed 2y ago
  That's the beauty of comments like yours. Because in your eyes it is so gradual the difference between it's happening slowly and not happening at all is imperceptible and impossible to prove.
  - coldtea 2y ago
    [flagged]
  - AnthonyMouse 2y ago
    > Because in your eyes it is so gradual the difference between it's happening slowly and not happening at all is imperceptible and impossible to prove. It's extremely straightforward to prove. You look at the laws that have been passed and the court opinions issued in the last 30-60 years.

The US is on it’s way to becoming a dystopia so not the best argument…

whimsicalism 2y ago

maybe, but i don't think sealed warrants are the reason

ipaddr 2y ago
There purpose is to hide charges as longas possible to deceive or trick which is against a fully transparent process
- matwood 2y ago
  There are valid reasons, like stopping people from destroying evidence or fleeing.
  - AnthonyMouse 2y ago
    There are also valid reasons the other way, like consulting an attorney to challenge the warrant or prepare a defense before it gets executed, disrupts your life and prevents you from clearing your name because you're being incarcerated without bail. It's hard to investigate the charges against you from a cell. Or the ability of journalists to inform the public of what the government is getting on with in their name. If the government is investigating their critics they have no right to keep it a secret.
- karaterobot 2y ago
  You're somewhat mistaken. In the U.S., you aren't owed a warning that the cops are looking for you, especially if you're a flight risk. That was never part of it.

hnpolicestate 2y ago

That inconvenient bill of rights keeps us a step or two behind the rest of the anglosphere in decent to tyranny, but only for so long. It just takes a handful of dishonest judges to claim some right actually means something entirely different.

celdon25 2y ago

It has already been a form of one for at least 10 years, just happening too gradually for the average person to realize it.

threeseed 2y ago
That's the beauty of comments like yours. Because in your eyes it is so gradual the difference between it's happening slowly and not happening at all is imperceptible and impossible to prove.
- coldtea 2y ago
  [flagged]
- AnthonyMouse 2y ago
  > Because in your eyes it is so gradual the difference between it's happening slowly and not happening at all is imperceptible and impossible to prove. It's extremely straightforward to prove. You look at the laws that have been passed and the court opinions issued in the last 30-60 years.