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You're missing the key part: Telegram doesn’t have E2EE enabled by default. Group chats and channels aren’t encrypted at all. The only E2EE in Telegram is call

You're missing the key part: Telegram doesn’t have E2EE enabled by default. Group chats and channels aren’t encrypted at all. The only E2EE in Telegram is called "secret chats" and they're 1-on-1.

whimsicalism 2y ago
frankly, even with unencrypted chats, any law/precedent requiring that platform providers have to scale moderation linearly with the number of users (which is effectively what this is saying) sounds like really bad policy (and probably further prevents the EU from building actual competitors to American tech companies)
- StrLght 2y ago
  Seems like other platforms without E2EE are managing to do that without any issues whatsoever (e.g. Discord)
  - whimsicalism 2y ago
    discord has hundreds of content moderators, telegram is made by a team of 30 people i don’t think messaging startups should be required to employ hundreds of people to read messages
    - bryanlarsen 2y ago
      A startup wouldn't need hundreds of people, they don't have millions of daily messages yet. Only successful businesses like Telegram would.
    - StrLght 2y ago
      Isn't this a consequence of Telegram's actions? It was their decision to become something bigger than a simple messaging app by adding channels and group chats with tons of participants. It was also their decision to understaff content moderation team. Sometimes the consequence is a legal action, like the one we're seeing right now. All this could have been easily avoided if they had E2EE or enough people to review reported content and remove it when necessary.
    - estebank 2y ago
      Telegram started 11 years ago. I know the term has been diluted for ages, but it still rubs me the wrong way to use the word startup for decade old businesses.
- squidbeak 2y ago
  A straightforward legal responsibility should be shirked because scaling moderation is hard? How many other difficult things do you propose moving outside the law?

whimsicalism 2y ago

frankly, even with unencrypted chats, any law/precedent requiring that platform providers have to scale moderation linearly with the number of users (which is effectively what this is saying) sounds like really bad policy (and probably further prevents the EU from building actual competitors to American tech companies)

StrLght 2y ago
Seems like other platforms without E2EE are managing to do that without any issues whatsoever (e.g. Discord)
- whimsicalism 2y ago
  discord has hundreds of content moderators, telegram is made by a team of 30 people i don’t think messaging startups should be required to employ hundreds of people to read messages
  - bryanlarsen 2y ago
    A startup wouldn't need hundreds of people, they don't have millions of daily messages yet. Only successful businesses like Telegram would.
  - StrLght 2y ago
    Isn't this a consequence of Telegram's actions? It was their decision to become something bigger than a simple messaging app by adding channels and group chats with tons of participants. It was also their decision to understaff content moderation team. Sometimes the consequence is a legal action, like the one we're seeing right now. All this could have been easily avoided if they had E2EE or enough people to review reported content and remove it when necessary.
  - estebank 2y ago
    Telegram started 11 years ago. I know the term has been diluted for ages, but it still rubs me the wrong way to use the word startup for decade old businesses.
squidbeak 2y ago
A straightforward legal responsibility should be shirked because scaling moderation is hard? How many other difficult things do you propose moving outside the law?