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> Compared to other apps like WhatsApp with claims of E2EE and no body of verification and validation. We do have at least some empirical evidence that WhatsAp

> Compared to other apps like WhatsApp with claims of E2EE and no body of verification and validation. We do have at least some empirical evidence that WhatsApp is properly encrypted. WhatsApp's cryptography has made judges in my country foam at the mouth with rage so hard they ordered retaliatory nation wide blocks of the service at least twice. People are right to distrust Meta but I for one am glad that everyone I know is using WhatsApp. I also have Signal and Matrix but a grand total of zero people message me through those.

NayamAmarshe 2y ago
> We do have at least some empirical evidence that WhatsApp is properly encrypted so do we. Telegram's MTProto 2.0 has been audited multiple times by independent researchers, compared to WhatsApp's closed-source claims of E2EE. I'd rather trust a company with a proven track record of no security incidents and fight for user privacy than a corporation which lies through its teeth time and again.
- which 2y ago
  What is stopping Telegram from signing in as you and reading all of your past messages by changing how the authentication logic is handled for specific targeted users? Not saying they have done this, but they obviously could.
- lxgr 2y ago
  We can agree on the statement "Telegram does not cooperate with law enforcement authorities". This is however something completely different from and largely orthogonal to "Telegram does not have access to their users' message contents". The fact that they are consistently claiming the former and the latter makes them seem extremely untrustworthy to me. Gaining my trust requires truthfulness and transparencies about the capabilities and limits of a service provider's technology (but of course is in no way sufficient).
1oooqooq 2y ago
basing your assurance that whatsapp is secure because meta didn't care about a Brazilian judge misconstrued wiretap request is wild.
- matheusmoreira 2y ago
  It's not really an "assurance". I don't fully trust them. I do trust them a lot more than others that haven't been put on trial. The point is moot anyway. Everyone in Brazil uses WhatsApp. They will not use anything else. I'd be ostracized if I refused to use it.
ASalazarMX 2y ago
> WhatsApp's cryptography has made judges in my country foam at the mouth with rage Oh wow, they need to get that checked, could be pulmonary edema.

NayamAmarshe 2y ago

> We do have at least some empirical evidence that WhatsApp is properly encrypted so do we. Telegram's MTProto 2.0 has been audited multiple times by independent researchers, compared to WhatsApp's closed-source claims of E2EE. I'd rather trust a company with a proven track record of no security incidents and fight for user privacy than a corporation which lies through its teeth time and again.

which 2y ago
What is stopping Telegram from signing in as you and reading all of your past messages by changing how the authentication logic is handled for specific targeted users? Not saying they have done this, but they obviously could.
lxgr 2y ago
We can agree on the statement "Telegram does not cooperate with law enforcement authorities". This is however something completely different from and largely orthogonal to "Telegram does not have access to their users' message contents". The fact that they are consistently claiming the former and the latter makes them seem extremely untrustworthy to me. Gaining my trust requires truthfulness and transparencies about the capabilities and limits of a service provider's technology (but of course is in no way sufficient).

1oooqooq 2y ago

basing your assurance that whatsapp is secure because meta didn't care about a Brazilian judge misconstrued wiretap request is wild.

matheusmoreira 2y ago
It's not really an "assurance". I don't fully trust them. I do trust them a lot more than others that haven't been put on trial. The point is moot anyway. Everyone in Brazil uses WhatsApp. They will not use anything else. I'd be ostracized if I refused to use it.

ASalazarMX 2y ago

> WhatsApp's cryptography has made judges in my country foam at the mouth with rage Oh wow, they need to get that checked, could be pulmonary edema.