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Rumble CEO leaves Europe after telegram arrest

31 points by e12e 2y ago

e12e 2y ago
> Chris Pavlovski @chrispavlovski > I'm a little late to this, but for good reason — I've just safely departed from Europe. France has threatened Rumble, and now they have crossed a red line by arresting Telegram's CEO, Pavel Durov, reportedly for not censoring speech. Rumble will not stand for this behavior and will use every legal means available to fight for freedom of expression, a universal human right. We are currently fighting in the courts of France, and we hope for Pavel Durov's immediate release.
- thomassmith65 2y ago
  Based on the tone, he's clearly at least one of three things: a grifter, a wingnut, or a comic book superhero. The first two are statistically more likely.
  - sandspar 2y ago
    What makes you qualified to make such an expansive claim about a stranger's inner character?
    - thomassmith65 2y ago
      Like most people, my activity on HN is hit and miss, but as a general rule I am careful about using the word 'you': if I agree with someone or want to encourage them, I favor using 'you', but if I disagree with, or dislike, a comment, I avoid 'you' and stick to the content. It tends to keep things cordial and upbeat. I don't insist that everyone else follow this rule, but I've gotten good mileage from it and others might find it useful; it's also why I have a bad feeling about answering this comment directly.
      - sandspar 2y ago
        You seem to enjoy placing yourself above others. First by doing a character assassination of the Rumble guy, then by taking a superior attitude with me and lecturing me.
        thomassmith65 2y ago
        You have an instinct to defend people, which, regardless of our disagreement, I admire.
wkat4242 2y ago
Never heard of Rumble but I gather it's like a conservative YouTube or something? That's not really comparable with telegram IMO.
- angulardragon03 2y ago
  Basically, yeah. Another “free speech absolutism” media company that doesn’t want to acknowledge that some speech (e.g. Holocaust denial) is actually illegal in many countries in mainland Europe, because it’s their bread and butter to host said speech. Rumble isn’t a huge platform and I doubt this is much more than a publicity stunt.
  - hooverd 2y ago
    >looking for a new platform >ask if their platform is free speech or holocaust denial >they doesnt understand >pull out illustrated diagram explaing what is free speech and what is holocaust denial >they laugh and says “it’s a good platform sir” >join >its holocaust denial it's the unfortunate case for a lot of so called free speech things unfortunately
    - deleted 2y ago
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    - HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
      It's practically a dog whistle at this point. These days I look for those advertising non-commercialness or communality as keywords.
  - flembat 2y ago
    A lot of people used to believe that it was important to tolerate speech they did not agree with, and opposed any laws that oppressed free speech, as it would lead to a world where careless talk or disagreement with the establishment authority led to unjust imprisonment, and here we are, they were right.
- realityfactchex 2y ago

31 points by e12e 2y ago

e12e 2y ago

> Chris Pavlovski @chrispavlovski > I'm a little late to this, but for good reason — I've just safely departed from Europe. France has threatened Rumble, and now they have crossed a red line by arresting Telegram's CEO, Pavel Durov, reportedly for not censoring speech. Rumble will not stand for this behavior and will use every legal means available to fight for freedom of expression, a universal human right. We are currently fighting in the courts of France, and we hope for Pavel Durov's immediate release.

thomassmith65 2y ago
Based on the tone, he's clearly at least one of three things: a grifter, a wingnut, or a comic book superhero. The first two are statistically more likely.
- sandspar 2y ago
  What makes you qualified to make such an expansive claim about a stranger's inner character?
  - thomassmith65 2y ago
    Like most people, my activity on HN is hit and miss, but as a general rule I am careful about using the word 'you': if I agree with someone or want to encourage them, I favor using 'you', but if I disagree with, or dislike, a comment, I avoid 'you' and stick to the content. It tends to keep things cordial and upbeat. I don't insist that everyone else follow this rule, but I've gotten good mileage from it and others might find it useful; it's also why I have a bad feeling about answering this comment directly.
    - sandspar 2y ago
      You seem to enjoy placing yourself above others. First by doing a character assassination of the Rumble guy, then by taking a superior attitude with me and lecturing me.
      - thomassmith65 2y ago
        You have an instinct to defend people, which, regardless of our disagreement, I admire.

wkat4242 2y ago

Never heard of Rumble but I gather it's like a conservative YouTube or something? That's not really comparable with telegram IMO.

angulardragon03 2y ago
Basically, yeah. Another “free speech absolutism” media company that doesn’t want to acknowledge that some speech (e.g. Holocaust denial) is actually illegal in many countries in mainland Europe, because it’s their bread and butter to host said speech. Rumble isn’t a huge platform and I doubt this is much more than a publicity stunt.
- hooverd 2y ago
  >looking for a new platform >ask if their platform is free speech or holocaust denial >they doesnt understand >pull out illustrated diagram explaing what is free speech and what is holocaust denial >they laugh and says “it’s a good platform sir” >join >its holocaust denial it's the unfortunate case for a lot of so called free speech things unfortunately
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
    It's practically a dog whistle at this point. These days I look for those advertising non-commercialness or communality as keywords.
- flembat 2y ago
  A lot of people used to believe that it was important to tolerate speech they did not agree with, and opposed any laws that oppressed free speech, as it would lead to a world where careless talk or disagreement with the establishment authority led to unjust imprisonment, and here we are, they were right.
realityfactchex 2y ago