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The main problem with Telegram is it’s not subject to Western surveillance and censorship. Best I can tell, it’s also not subject to Eastern surveillance and ce

by ein0p 2y ago

The main problem with Telegram is it’s not subject to Western surveillance and censorship. Best I can tell, it’s also not subject to Eastern surveillance and censorship which is why it was (unsuccessfully) banned in Russia in 2018. As of right now, this is one of the few places where you can find true information about WW3 which is currently ongoing in Ukraine. This is true of all sides of the conflict: the only truly uncensored source right now is Telegram, whether you’re in Ukraine, in Russia or in the west. People investing hundreds of billions of dollars into the war do not like this lack of control over the narrative. That is why Durov is in jail.

Fnoord 2y ago
> [..] That is why Durov is in jail. Speculative. We don't know why he is in jail. Maybe his lawyers know why, maybe not. Maybe the prosecutor knows, maybe not. We don't know if there's a case. There's hardly anything we do know. My take is he doesn't reply to LE requests related to CSAM. That is one of the few things we (as in: our governments) don't like anywhere in the world, and Telegram is known to respond slowly to [such] requests. But I won't pretend I know for sure. Cause either way, it is a neat honeypot compared to technically better protocols.
croes 2y ago
And how to you find the true uncensored information between all the propaganda on telegram?
- mediumsmart 2y ago
  That’s easy. You pick a channel that agrees with your general view of your world.
  - croes 2y ago
    So echo chambers
- ein0p 2y ago
  You look at both sides and try to get some nuggets of truth out of that mountain of bullshit by checking what doesn’t line up. Thing is, though, if you only look at the mainstream media, you can’t even figure out what’s bullshit - the conflicting narratives are suppressed so well that editors of Pravda would blush.
- ErikBjare 2y ago
  Same as on every other platform?
- oytis 2y ago
  What's your method of finding true information outside of Telegram? Telegram is structured like a mix of a social network and a blogging platform. You find people you trust and read them. Sometimes they would repost someone else and if you like what they write you can read them too.
limit499karma 2y ago
"The deputy speaker of the state Duma, Vladislav Davankov, said he had called on Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov to secure Durov’s release. “The arrest of [Durov] could have political motives and be a means of obtaining the personal data of Telegram users. We must not allow this,” he said on his Telegram channel." https://www.ft.com/content/c5d40e3c-9f9c-43dc-a467-1c713b40c168 https://www.ft.com/content/c5d40e3c-9f9c-43dc-a467-1c713b40c... That makes me wonder if Telegram was always a Russian spook op and its [ineffective] banning just a ruse. I don't think any of the major platforms are independent of some spook oversight.
- lkfajw 2y ago
  Yes, in case like Facebook it would be easy to say that it provides information to the U.S. gov. With Telegram, as you say, the Russian ban (somewhere around 2014) could have been designed to signal that Telegram is not run by the FSB. This arrest, on the other hand, could have been intended signal that Telegram is not run by the CIA. There have been a couple of house searches, extradition orders and YouTube bans all in the last two weeks for pro Russian commentators. I always wonder if these individuals are genuine or actually working for the U.S. gov. Anyway, together with the latest crackdown of the EU on Musk all these events could be genuine and not staged.
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  - limit499karma 2y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ut6RouSs0w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ut6RouSs0w after watching Carlson's interview with Durov have come to think he may be the genuine article. Very interesting bit his relating us agents trying to recruit a dev and pushing some specified but alas unnamed oss libraries to use in Telegram.

by ein0p 2y ago

Fnoord 2y ago

> [..] That is why Durov is in jail. Speculative. We don't know why he is in jail. Maybe his lawyers know why, maybe not. Maybe the prosecutor knows, maybe not. We don't know if there's a case. There's hardly anything we do know. My take is he doesn't reply to LE requests related to CSAM. That is one of the few things we (as in: our governments) don't like anywhere in the world, and Telegram is known to respond slowly to [such] requests. But I won't pretend I know for sure. Cause either way, it is a neat honeypot compared to technically better protocols.

croes 2y ago

And how to you find the true uncensored information between all the propaganda on telegram?

mediumsmart 2y ago
That’s easy. You pick a channel that agrees with your general view of your world.
- croes 2y ago
  So echo chambers
ein0p 2y ago
You look at both sides and try to get some nuggets of truth out of that mountain of bullshit by checking what doesn’t line up. Thing is, though, if you only look at the mainstream media, you can’t even figure out what’s bullshit - the conflicting narratives are suppressed so well that editors of Pravda would blush.
ErikBjare 2y ago
Same as on every other platform?
oytis 2y ago
What's your method of finding true information outside of Telegram? Telegram is structured like a mix of a social network and a blogging platform. You find people you trust and read them. Sometimes they would repost someone else and if you like what they write you can read them too.

limit499karma 2y ago

"The deputy speaker of the state Duma, Vladislav Davankov, said he had called on Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov to secure Durov’s release. “The arrest of [Durov] could have political motives and be a means of obtaining the personal data of Telegram users. We must not allow this,” he said on his Telegram channel." https://www.ft.com/content/c5d40e3c-9f9c-43dc-a467-1c713b40c168 https://www.ft.com/content/c5d40e3c-9f9c-43dc-a467-1c713b40c... That makes me wonder if Telegram was always a Russian spook op and its [ineffective] banning just a ruse. I don't think any of the major platforms are independent of some spook oversight.

lkfajw 2y ago
Yes, in case like Facebook it would be easy to say that it provides information to the U.S. gov. With Telegram, as you say, the Russian ban (somewhere around 2014) could have been designed to signal that Telegram is not run by the FSB. This arrest, on the other hand, could have been intended signal that Telegram is not run by the CIA. There have been a couple of house searches, extradition orders and YouTube bans all in the last two weeks for pro Russian commentators. I always wonder if these individuals are genuine or actually working for the U.S. gov. Anyway, together with the latest crackdown of the EU on Musk all these events could be genuine and not staged.
- deleted 2y ago
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- limit499karma 2y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ut6RouSs0w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ut6RouSs0w after watching Carlson's interview with Durov have come to think he may be the genuine article. Very interesting bit his relating us agents trying to recruit a dev and pushing some specified but alas unnamed oss libraries to use in Telegram.