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> Do you unironically believe it's not already backdoored for Russian government? Yes. You should read the history of Durov and why Telegram was created in the

by chucke1992 2y ago

> Do you unironically believe it's not already backdoored for Russian government? Yes. You should read the history of Durov and why Telegram was created in the first place.

z_open 2y ago
Why don't you post it yourself. And why should I care about what he says when telegram has some of the worst default encryption settings among commonly used messaging apps in the west?
- chucke1992 2y ago
  Except Telegram is considered one of the most secured apps around. Obviously it cannot stop people from being stupid when they expose themselves. The very reason why France is not happy is that because they cannot get access to private chats and stuff. EU was (and is) pushing for the end of E2E encryption after all (it failed this time, but they will try again). Durov created Telegram because the russian government was trying to take over his original social network - VK (basically imagine USA gov taking over Facebook). Thus he sold his shared and left the country. I do find it hilarious to see apologists of government over-reach like you.
  - z_open 2y ago
    What about group chat encryption? You can not possible say telegram is more secure than signal or WhatsApp. What did I say that made me an apologist for government overreach? I recommend users use Signal? Your accusation is unfounded when I was complaining about a lack of encryption.
    - chucke1992 2y ago
      With Whatsapp it is pretty obvious at this point that it is in cahoot with governments in regards of backdoors and stuff. With Signal? Who knows? Maybe too. Governments don't go after services that they can access freely.
  - timeon 2y ago
    > I do find it hilarious to see apologists of government over-reach like you. Can you point to the relevant part of the comment?
  - StrLght 2y ago
    How is this even relevant? Telegram doesn’t have E2EE enabled by default. Group chats aren’t encrypted at all.
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mightybyte 2y ago
Here's a long personal interview with Durov. https://x.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1780355490964283565 https://x.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1780355490964283565 I know that TuckerCarlson is a polarizing character. My posting of this link is not any kind of statement for or against him or his politics. That being said, the interview really gives an interesting picture of Pavel Durov IMO. If you can ignore Carlson's annoying tangents into American politics, you get to hear a good bit of Durov's life story straight from his mouth in reasonable detail. I came away from it with a more positive picture of Durov and Telegram.

> Do you unironically believe it's not already backdoored for Russian government? Yes. You should read the history of Durov and why Telegram was created in the first place.

z_open 2y ago

Why don't you post it yourself. And why should I care about what he says when telegram has some of the worst default encryption settings among commonly used messaging apps in the west?

chucke1992 2y ago
Except Telegram is considered one of the most secured apps around. Obviously it cannot stop people from being stupid when they expose themselves. The very reason why France is not happy is that because they cannot get access to private chats and stuff. EU was (and is) pushing for the end of E2E encryption after all (it failed this time, but they will try again). Durov created Telegram because the russian government was trying to take over his original social network - VK (basically imagine USA gov taking over Facebook). Thus he sold his shared and left the country. I do find it hilarious to see apologists of government over-reach like you.
- z_open 2y ago
  What about group chat encryption? You can not possible say telegram is more secure than signal or WhatsApp. What did I say that made me an apologist for government overreach? I recommend users use Signal? Your accusation is unfounded when I was complaining about a lack of encryption.
  - chucke1992 2y ago
    With Whatsapp it is pretty obvious at this point that it is in cahoot with governments in regards of backdoors and stuff. With Signal? Who knows? Maybe too. Governments don't go after services that they can access freely.
- timeon 2y ago
  > I do find it hilarious to see apologists of government over-reach like you. Can you point to the relevant part of the comment?
- StrLght 2y ago
  How is this even relevant? Telegram doesn’t have E2EE enabled by default. Group chats aren’t encrypted at all.

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mightybyte 2y ago

Here's a long personal interview with Durov. https://x.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1780355490964283565 https://x.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1780355490964283565 I know that TuckerCarlson is a polarizing character. My posting of this link is not any kind of statement for or against him or his politics. That being said, the interview really gives an interesting picture of Pavel Durov IMO. If you can ignore Carlson's annoying tangents into American politics, you get to hear a good bit of Durov's life story straight from his mouth in reasonable detail. I came away from it with a more positive picture of Durov and Telegram.