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Would you be able to do it with a fake account, and if having done that process today makes what he said entirely true? I get there’s a product manager engagem

Would you be able to do it with a fake account, and if having done that process today makes what he said entirely true? I get there’s a product manager engagement injected step but it seems harsh to say “isn’t true at all” when you mean “he left out a step that’s required that I don’t want to do.”

bee_rider 2y ago
What if Facebook has gone out of business in 20 years?
- fnordpiglet 2y ago
  Then do it now and it’ll be unlocked.
  - mvdtnz 2y ago
    You're comprehensively missing the point. According to Carmack's hypothetical, someone in the future could discover a unit and unlock it even if they were born after Facebook/Meta went out of business completely. But that just isn't true if a Meta login is required.
    - fnordpiglet 2y ago
      Yes. However you can imagine a world where he is right but someone along the way put a hurdle in, yet his essential goal is correct given in the present you could do this and in 20 years use the device as he described. To say he’s entirely wrong, which was what was said, is extremely ungenerous.
      - bee_rider 2y ago
        > "opens up the ability to repurpose the hardware for more things today, and means that a *randomly discovered* shrink wrapped headset twenty years from now will be able to update to the final software version" No, the device in his hypothetical is randomly discovered, so it is not ungenerous to assume that the person discovering it randomly didn’t happen to have set up a dev account. Because most people don’t have these types of accounts, a random person discovering the device should not be assumed to have one. Additionally, he’s clearly describing something serendipitous, not something that requires planning ahead by 20 years.
  - bee_rider 2y ago
    That is not really what Carmack suggested in his quote. I’m not saying it is necessarily some huge loss, just pointing out that we still haven’t managed to pretzel our brains into an interpretation that makes Carmack right.
- winrid 2y ago
  would you use a VR headset today from 20yrs ago? I am generally against creating unnecessary e-waste but let's be real, it will likely be better to recycle it and experiment with something else in that time frame...
  - bee_rider 2y ago
    I don’t know, it was Carmack’s hypothetical not mine.
  - bostik 2y ago
    On the off chance that I would be using VR headsets in the first place - I might. Much in the same way I will happily play a well maintained pinball machine from the last millennium, or an arcade game in a lovingly restored cabinet from 30+ years ago. There is an allure to retro-gaming with MAME (which I love), but for some of us, going properly vintage can have a special meaning.
  - vel0city 2y ago
    I was playing around on a 486 machine the other day. It's not impossible someone might.
  - brewtide 2y ago
    I have 2 Google cardboards on my shelf.
    - bigiain 2y ago
      I have a Samsung Galaxy S6 that is still on Android 7 so I can still use the GearVR headset. I think work still has a carton or two of actual cardboard boxes with plastic lenses that you shove any random phone into, from when we were doing VR meeting stuff back at the beginning of Covid.
  - happymellon 2y ago
    Yes? The retro computer museum in Leicester has a few of the Virtuality systems, which are still great fun. Loads of people hack on old hardware.
Confiks 2y ago
> Would you be able to do it with a fake account Of course, although it also requires a setting up a 'fake' phone number. I just don't want to touch the Meta ToS – as I haven't for more than a decade – even with a ten-meter anonymous pole. A better solution would be to ask a friend to activate it, but I haven't because there were other yaks to be shaved. > it seems harsh to say “isn’t true at all” You cannot activate an Oculus Go today and "randomly" discover the same activated "shrink wrapped headset twenty years from now". I'm just trying to correct the record, as AFAIK the news stories about this have been undisputed since 2021. It's a fantastic achievement that the bootloader can be unlocked at all, and I certainly hope that it will set a precedent (but I won't be holding my breath).

bee_rider 2y ago

What if Facebook has gone out of business in 20 years?

fnordpiglet 2y ago
Then do it now and it’ll be unlocked.
- mvdtnz 2y ago
  You're comprehensively missing the point. According to Carmack's hypothetical, someone in the future could discover a unit and unlock it even if they were born after Facebook/Meta went out of business completely. But that just isn't true if a Meta login is required.
  - fnordpiglet 2y ago
    Yes. However you can imagine a world where he is right but someone along the way put a hurdle in, yet his essential goal is correct given in the present you could do this and in 20 years use the device as he described. To say he’s entirely wrong, which was what was said, is extremely ungenerous.
    - bee_rider 2y ago
      > "opens up the ability to repurpose the hardware for more things today, and means that a *randomly discovered* shrink wrapped headset twenty years from now will be able to update to the final software version" No, the device in his hypothetical is randomly discovered, so it is not ungenerous to assume that the person discovering it randomly didn’t happen to have set up a dev account. Because most people don’t have these types of accounts, a random person discovering the device should not be assumed to have one. Additionally, he’s clearly describing something serendipitous, not something that requires planning ahead by 20 years.
- bee_rider 2y ago
  That is not really what Carmack suggested in his quote. I’m not saying it is necessarily some huge loss, just pointing out that we still haven’t managed to pretzel our brains into an interpretation that makes Carmack right.
winrid 2y ago
would you use a VR headset today from 20yrs ago? I am generally against creating unnecessary e-waste but let's be real, it will likely be better to recycle it and experiment with something else in that time frame...
- bee_rider 2y ago
  I don’t know, it was Carmack’s hypothetical not mine.
- bostik 2y ago
  On the off chance that I would be using VR headsets in the first place - I might. Much in the same way I will happily play a well maintained pinball machine from the last millennium, or an arcade game in a lovingly restored cabinet from 30+ years ago. There is an allure to retro-gaming with MAME (which I love), but for some of us, going properly vintage can have a special meaning.
- vel0city 2y ago
  I was playing around on a 486 machine the other day. It's not impossible someone might.
- brewtide 2y ago
  I have 2 Google cardboards on my shelf.
  - bigiain 2y ago
    I have a Samsung Galaxy S6 that is still on Android 7 so I can still use the GearVR headset. I think work still has a carton or two of actual cardboard boxes with plastic lenses that you shove any random phone into, from when we were doing VR meeting stuff back at the beginning of Covid.
- happymellon 2y ago
  Yes? The retro computer museum in Leicester has a few of the Virtuality systems, which are still great fun. Loads of people hack on old hardware.

Confiks 2y ago

> Would you be able to do it with a fake account Of course, although it also requires a setting up a 'fake' phone number. I just don't want to touch the Meta ToS – as I haven't for more than a decade – even with a ten-meter anonymous pole. A better solution would be to ask a friend to activate it, but I haven't because there were other yaks to be shaved. > it seems harsh to say “isn’t true at all” You cannot activate an Oculus Go today and "randomly" discover the same activated "shrink wrapped headset twenty years from now". I'm just trying to correct the record, as AFAIK the news stories about this have been undisputed since 2021. It's a fantastic achievement that the bootloader can be unlocked at all, and I certainly hope that it will set a precedent (but I won't be holding my breath).