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I'm really surprised this list doesn't contain any of the big names I'm using. In fact I've never heard of any of these sites. I'm using many of the book sites
by wkat4242 2y ago
I'm really surprised this list doesn't contain any of the big names I'm using. In fact I've never heard of any of these sites.
I'm using many of the book sites and general torrent ones (I won't name them here), but none of these are on the list.
I also think the point is kinda moot because everyone doing torrents in Germany will already use VPN because it's only a matter of time before you get serious letters from lawyers there, demanding about 400 euro per move they've seen you download. ISPs always cooperate in giving subscriber info for each IP. Some lawyer firms actually specialise in this and go after downloaders on their own.
I wonder if they leave the big torrent sites out to provide income for these lawyers?
- sudobash1 2y agoOt of curiosity, how does this work? If a site is over https, then the only information I would think the ISP would have is the subscriber downloaded from randompiratesite.xyz what seems to be a single X GiB file. They could see that the size roughly corresponds to FooBar.mp4 on that site (plus some HTTP headers). But this seems pretty unreliable. (Like what if someone was using a download manager to get multiple large files at once, using multiple download streams per file?) I'm sure that you can get in plenty of trouble for downloading a ton of data from randompiratesite.xyz or whatever, but how the ISP determine the number of movies they've seen you download?
- leafmeal 2y agoIf they're also downloading or seeding the torrent, the learn the IPs of their peers, so they know you were downloading that particular file.
- wkat4242 2y agoYeah you can use peerblock/peerguardian, but in general there's no point. It's much less risky to simply use a VPN because there's always a risk that new IPs are not on the blocklist.
- Semaphor 2y agoIt's not the sites, it's torrenting. Without a VPN, they get your IP, and you are on the hook for "commercial distribution" (as clients also upload) unless you pay X00 euros.
- rurban 2y agoPrivate torrenting is certainly not commercial distribution.
- Semaphor 2y agoTell that to our courts ;)
- gruez 2y agoCommercial distribution isn't the only way you can violate copyrights
- Semaphor 2y agoJust violating copyright wouldn't really matter. Damages would be tiny, and so would be what the lawyers can blackmail you for. It's being on the hook for the damages of distribution that gets the high fees.
- Semaphor 2y agoPlease tell me what's wrong about my comment instead of blindly downvoting, thank you.
- throwaway48540 2y agoIt's simply not true, from my personal experience. Who cares it's tiny when it's still more than I want or can pay.
- Semaphor 2y ago
- loeg 2y ago> If a site is over https, then the only information I would think the ISP would have is the subscriber downloaded from randompiratesite.xyz what seems to be a single X GiB file That isn't how torrent sites work. You visit site.xyz and download a .torrent file in the realm of 10s-100s (typically) of kB and that contains some metadata that a dedicated torrent client consumes. The torrent client connects to (1) some tracker via http (or https, but usually http) which may or may not be associated with the site the .torrent came from, to register as part of the swarm, and (2) any number of peer torrent clients. The actual data (X GiB) transfer comes from those peers; not the original site.xyz nor the tracker. ISPs can observe DNS lookups / connections to site.xyz; tracker "announces" (that's (1) above), especially if they are http. And even the peer-to-peer traffic has a distinct protocol which is recognizable with packet inspection. But the main avenue for finding offenders, I believe, is just downloading the same .torrents for some specific copyrighted content and using the torrents' associated tracker(s) to enumerate swarm peer IP addresses.
- Hypnosis6173 2y agoThats not how piracy in germany works. Torrenting for german content is quite uncommon. Normally the pages either point to sites hosting a streamabale version of the video content or point to a external file hoster (e.g. Rapidgator).
- bonoboTP 2y ago> Torrenting for german content is quite uncommon. Obviously, because, as the chain of comments above your shows, torrent users are easily caught and get fined to hundreds of euros per downloaded movie. Then they stop using torrent and tell all their friends about the experience. This has been going on for more than a decade, maybe two. So by now, German culture has adapted and people don't use torrents.
- yokaze 2y agoYou don't get fined for downloading, you get cease-and-desist with a fine (?) from a lawyer representing the copyright owner for uploading. Downloading copyrighted is not illegal, offering is. You could try to argue technicalities in court, but that'll probably exceed the hundreds of Euro the copyright owner demands.
- gardenmud 2y agoI actually kind of appreciate the laws there. It's sort of weird because it's one of those things where -- if you just use a VPN it totally negates the problem. Like somehow it's just "common knowledge" that you can do any of that with a VPN and you're risk free. It's this loophole that... you can't really close as a government without being completely authoritarian. So it's not shocking that some might want to shut down VPNs or make using a VPN illegal (like, uh, North Korea, Belarus, Iraq, Oman, Turkmenistan... oof).
- rrr_oh_man 2y agoSide note: (Very intrusive) Deep Packet Inspection is active and alive in EU ally countries Kazakhstan and Turkey.
- brnt 2y agoIf you force encryption in your BT client, will you be safe?
- Krasnol 2y agoThey've been blocked because they became too popular. I've heard from kinox from people I would have never suspected to be even capable of finding such a site. Guess those people have been the marker.
- Sakos 2y agoProbably been told about it by friends. Whenever I find a decent site, I pass it on to anybody I know who needs it. kinox used to be one of those sites.
- Green-Man 2y ago700€ per movie is a current rate, plus a couple of hundreds as legal fees.
- wkat4242 2y agoYeah ridiculous. Only in Germany...
- ThatMedicIsASpy 2y agonsw2u is something I've used when I wanted to look at the current state of switch emulation
- imhoguy 2y agoSci-Hub domains are listed, that is big.
- wkat4242 2y agoWhat is that? I've never heard of it.
- __MatrixMan__ 2y agoIt's where we go to get peer reviewed scientific journal articles.
- manmal 2y agoAn alternative that often works being annas-archive.org.
- mazdayasna 2y agoIt's also run by a Putin and Stalin worshipping crazy lady
- desumeku 2y agoAt least she respects scientific freedom.
- orlp 2y agoWhat are you basing that on?
- CamperBob2 2y agoHer own words: https://www.sci-hub.ru/alexandra https://www.sci-hub.ru/alexandra Still.... you go, girl.
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- Sakos 2y agoI use and have used a large number of these. Many of them are primarily German streaming sites. Ziperto is a file hosting site, which you'd only come into contact with through certain kinds of direct download piracy sites. I'm not surprised you haven't heard of any of them, even though they are actually quite popular in some circles.
- bowsamic 2y agoYeah I didn’t know about this when coming to Germany and downloaded something without a VPN. Thankfully I was spared. But now I always use one with a reasonable good kill switch setup and forcing the torrent client to use the vpns network device
- slightwinder 2y ago> I'm really surprised this list doesn't contain any of the big names I'm using. This might be more a proof for this whole blocking-business actually working. kinox, serienjunkies and similar named domains were very famous and huge 5-10 years ago. Since then, they have been raided, sued, blocked, etc. So it seems they've been fallen in grace and awareness with their target-group.