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Venezuela's Supreme Court certifies Maduro's claims he won presidential election
- exogeny 2y agoGross. Let it be a lesson to anyone who thinks it is a good idea to have a judiciary system that is packed to the brim with self-serving, partisan goons who are loyal only to their party.
- RIMR 2y agoThe days between 11/5 and 1/20 are are going to be wild in America.
- AnimalMuppet 2y agoI'm afraid so. Trump is in "total war" mode because if he loses the election, the court cases are no longer going to be delayed, and he's going to be destroyed. So he's going to claim "voter fraud!" in every state he loses, maybe even in every precinct he loses, and he's going to file a blizzard of cases. It's not going to be 60 cases this time; it's going to be a lot more. Most of them are going to be dismissed, like last time, due to lack of anything that looks like evidence. But he also may have some state election people who are willing to march to his orders. That part concerns me a lot. And he probably has a fair number of people who will take to the streets to "stop the second steal". And I fear that he's going to try to use them.
- bastardoperator 2y agoWe deserve everything coming to us if we elect trump again.
- AnimalMuppet 2y agoI think it's going to be "wild" even if we don't.
- mindslight 2y agoTBH if that's the totality of the battle plan, that'll be fantastic news. The "stolen election" ruse only came so close to working last time because he had his hands on the levers of executive power, and could thus disable/sideline all of the usual law enforcement while fighting it out in the court of public opinion (what the baseless court cases were for). But really the only way we're going to get out of this societal catastrophe is for Trumpism to be resoundingly rebuked at the ballot box. The Republican party needs to choke on the inevitable results of this festering radical populist destruction that they had been stoking but containing for decades (eg rush Limbaugh), until it finally escaped. And please don't read my comment thinking I'm sitting here positively pro-Democrat or pro-system. As a libertarian, I've got many indictments of the current corporatist anti-individual-freedom system, the two party duopoly, the "deep state", etc. But staring down the choice of the destruction of the American bureaucracy in favor of cult of personality autocracy, I've begrudgingly had to support the solidly conservative option of the bureaucracy. And I'm willing to admit that it had been far too easy to take it for granted.
- smrq 2y agoI'm not sure such people will take the right lesson away.
- sieabahlpark 2y ago[dead]
- bboygravity 2y agoThe lesson is: using the old fasion way of lies, cheating elections, violence, murder and intimidation to stay in power works really well if you're a totalitarian leader? Nobody can stop you and you can do literally anything you want to stay in power? Am I doing this "drawing lessons thing" right?
- iwebdevfromhome 2y agoMexico's leadership are taking notes here and are on his way to change the judicary system forever in their favor.
- culi 2y agoThey're moving to make judicial positions democratically elected
- culi 2y agoThey're appointed by the National Assembly. Mexico is currently trying to replace their system with one where each judge is democratically elected. Critics are calling this a "power grab" by AMLO though since the judiciary has often been the opposition's main way to check him and his party's ambitions. Almost every federal judge in Mexico is on strike because of this
- Alupis 2y agoSo, soon Mexico will have explicitly partisan judges that rule not based on law but, instead on whatever is popular and/or will get them re-elected? What could possibly go wrong?
- jose_zap 2y agoThe UN Human Rights Council issued a warning that its independent fact finding mission found that the Supreme Court lacks independence, and therefore cannot be trusted in this matter. https://x.com/UN_HRC/status/1826624015097888919 https://x.com/UN_HRC/status/1826624015097888919
- sieabahlpark 2y ago[dead]
- culi 2y agoAlso relevant is the UN Panel of Expert's interim report on the election from July 28: https://news.un.org/en/sites/news.un.org.en/files/atoms/files/Interim_Report_PoE_Venezuela_090824.pdf https://news.un.org/en/sites/news.un.org.en/files/atoms/file...
- laweijfmvo 2y agoWhen countries (like the US) say they don't accept Maduro's victory, what does that practically mean?
- krapp 2y agoIt means whatever bullshit the CIA pulled, that we'll probably find out about a decade from now, didn't work.
- engineer_22 2y agothat they aren't going to build a new embassy
- brink 2y agoLooking at Maduro, he ironically looks a lot like the dictator Di Ravello from Just Cause 3. https://imgur.com/a/msxAQxb https://imgur.com/a/msxAQxb
- rexpop 2y agoDon't be naive. The similarities are superficial--mustachioed, middle-aged, male--and they can all be attributed to the United States' history of intervening in the politics of Latin American countries--a la the "Monroe Doctrine"--often installing leaders who are friendly to American business interests, but monstrous as leaders. When the US fails to get their man in charge, we then engage in propaganda campaigns to demonize the democratically elected alternatives, manufacturing consent for further interference. Either way, there are always news clips demonizing Latin American leaders, and so video games can safely use this trope to create a villain that doesn't piss off any of its American market.
- rbont 2y agoPlease read this People voted against him and now they are kidnapping and killing people (even minors) https://www.caracaschronicles.com/2024/08/08/state-of-terror-life-after-venezuelas-electoral-uprising/ https://www.caracaschronicles.com/2024/08/08/state-of-terror... The government says they won the election and they are not showing votes by state, county or center (they usually do this in 24 hrs)
- rexpop 2y agoI am not really trying to say anything about Maduro, only about racist caricatures of Latin American leaders in US videogames and other lowbrow media.
- _fat_santa 2y ago> The high court is packed with Maduro loyalists and has almost never ruled against the government. I mean is the result really that surprising given this fact.
- rbont 2y agoYou can read here about supreme court independence https://www.caracaschronicles.com/2024/08/19/how-independent-is-venezuelas-supreme-tribunal-of-justice/ https://www.caracaschronicles.com/2024/08/19/how-independent... and about the evidence that the numbers published by Maduro's opposition are correct https://www.caracaschronicles.com/2024/08/18/more-evidence-backs-the-election-results-published-by-the-venezuelan-opposition/ https://www.caracaschronicles.com/2024/08/18/more-evidence-b...
- cma 2y agoCaracas Chronicles: https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caracas_Chronicles https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caracas_Chronicles Says once self-described as "opposition-leaning-but-not-insane" fwiw. We in the US have big concerns with their elections and not Saudi elections for some reason. I don't think that it could be fully explained by hemisphere dominance.
- ImPostingOnHN 2y agoWhat happens or happened in Saudi Arabia doesn't have any bearing on whether this Venezuelan election was won by the incumbent or the opposition based on the voting results (save for any direct intervention by Saudi Arabia which I'm not aware of).
- cma 2y agoWhy aren't we skeptical of Saudi elections, don't they not even have them for top positions?
- jujube3 2y agoSaudi Arabia is a monarchy.
- ImPostingOnHN 2y agoWhat bearing does that have on whether this Venezuelan election was won by the incumbent or the opposition based on the voting results?
- thisislife2 2y agoThe moral of the story is: If your country has oil, don't piss off the US.
- cjbenedikt 2y agoWhy does the Supreme Court situation sound so familiar, I wonder...;-p
- bdw5204 2y agoVenezuela's Supreme Court was packed by Hugo Chavez 20 years ago[0]. He expanded the Court from 20 to 32 judges. When he did this, he also filled 5 existing vacancies with new judges. In other words, their Supreme Court is controlled by the Maduro regime. [0]: https://www.hrw.org/news/2004/12/13/venezuela-chavez-allies-pack-supreme-court https://www.hrw.org/news/2004/12/13/venezuela-chavez-allies-...
- MrZongle2 2y agoInteresting. In the past few years, I heard about how expanding the US Supreme Court was a reasonable approach to take. I wonder if proponents were aware of this case in Venezuela.
- giraffe_lady 2y agoI am at least. It's "a reasonable approach to take" in that it may be an effective mechanism for accomplishing certain goals like diluting the power currently concentrated there or preventing some specific action the court may take with its current majority. I don't think there's a framework that can universally tell you whether supreme court expansion is always good in all cases or always bad in all cases. Taking effective action is bad when you do it for bad reasons and good when you do it for good ones. Unsatisfying but there it is.
- bdw5204 2y agoI personally would not call that a reasonable policy proposal but it is (unfortunately) constitutional due to an oversight by the US Framers in 1787. The appropriate way to stop it from passing would be to vote against politicians who advocate it as they are unfit for office.
- burnte 2y agoFDR tried it during his time, wanted to expand it to 13 I think. It didn't work. But what we really need for SCOTUS is time limits and automatic replacements at intervals to take politics out of the process a little bit.
- mihaaly 2y agoWhat other play he has for prooving how much he won the election? Asking Puting to prove the results? Have a North Korean child song sing about his glorious win? Need to build a wall forming 'I won!' visible from space? Have his win being tatooed on each newborns forehead in Venezuela? Why does he need this kind of grandiose validation if he thinks the facts and the people are behind him? Oh! That's why, because it is not true. Well, sorry Maduro, you are a looser only kept alive by your mercenarys. For now.