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> I absolutely hate Microsoft with every fiber of my being. Why? I get it back when they were super hostile to Linux and open source, but those days are long p

> I absolutely hate Microsoft with every fiber of my being. Why? I get it back when they were super hostile to Linux and open source, but those days are long past.

anonymoushn 2y ago
Maybe because GP uses Windows sometimes.
orphea 2y ago
They are super hostile to users of their OS, and these days are right now.
- geodel 2y ago
  Absolutely. It is just sad experience using Windows beyond some web browsing with Non-MS browser.
  - naasking 2y ago
    Is the hate for Windows 11? I'm still using Windows 10 Pro. Aside from the occasional forced restart, it's fine.
    - vips7L 2y ago
      Only Linux die hards on HN think they’re hostile. Real users of Windows never have this opinion. Windows is better than any flavor of Linux I’ve ever used.
MangoCoffee 2y ago
>hostile to Linux and open source, but those days are long past Microsoft remains a giant elephant with questionable business practices. Their shift to SaaS and cloud computing meant they have to play nice with others.
- naasking 2y ago
  Sure, but that doesn't clarify why one would hate MS with every fiber of their being. I can see that with Oracle given they're still behaving that way, but MS seems mostly fine now. Execs have changed, the environment on what products are viable has changed (as you pointed out), so their attitude has changed with the times too.
  - pjmlp 2y ago
    See the drama regarding the dotnet watch removal, killing VS4Mac, Xamarin related products are now a shade of what they were upon acquisition, C# DevKit has the same license as VS proper and many VS features are never going to leave VS to VSCode, the desktop development mess,.... It is much better now, however wind blows in all directions.
jayd16 2y ago
They go from actively user hostile to passively user hostile. We just happen to be in a passive phase where we only have to worry about ads creeping into the command line and what have you. Still... they often make good stuff, you have to admit.

> I absolutely hate Microsoft with every fiber of my being. Why? I get it back when they were super hostile to Linux and open source, but those days are long past.

anonymoushn 2y ago

Maybe because GP uses Windows sometimes.

orphea 2y ago

They are super hostile to users of their OS, and these days are right now.

geodel 2y ago
Absolutely. It is just sad experience using Windows beyond some web browsing with Non-MS browser.
- naasking 2y ago
  Is the hate for Windows 11? I'm still using Windows 10 Pro. Aside from the occasional forced restart, it's fine.
  - vips7L 2y ago
    Only Linux die hards on HN think they’re hostile. Real users of Windows never have this opinion. Windows is better than any flavor of Linux I’ve ever used.

MangoCoffee 2y ago

>hostile to Linux and open source, but those days are long past Microsoft remains a giant elephant with questionable business practices. Their shift to SaaS and cloud computing meant they have to play nice with others.

naasking 2y ago
Sure, but that doesn't clarify why one would hate MS with every fiber of their being. I can see that with Oracle given they're still behaving that way, but MS seems mostly fine now. Execs have changed, the environment on what products are viable has changed (as you pointed out), so their attitude has changed with the times too.
- pjmlp 2y ago
  See the drama regarding the dotnet watch removal, killing VS4Mac, Xamarin related products are now a shade of what they were upon acquisition, C# DevKit has the same license as VS proper and many VS features are never going to leave VS to VSCode, the desktop development mess,.... It is much better now, however wind blows in all directions.

jayd16 2y ago

They go from actively user hostile to passively user hostile. We just happen to be in a passive phase where we only have to worry about ads creeping into the command line and what have you. Still... they often make good stuff, you have to admit.