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I'm fine with sports betting being legal. If people want to gamble that's their decision. But I believe any kind of advertising of it during a game should be m

I'm fine with sports betting being legal. If people want to gamble that's their decision. But I believe any kind of advertising of it during a game should be made illegal. It is ruining the broadcast, with updates on the betting line and worthless statistics to non betters.

ToucanLoucan 2y ago
> If people want to gamble that's their decision. Is it? Is an alcoholic's decision to drink, or a heroin addict's decision to shoot up? Is it a person with attention issues' decision to spend unreasonable amounts of money on micro-transaction-powered games? Is it anyone who suffers from a neurodivergency that fucks with dopamine's choice to engage in these activities because their brains are just plain more vulnerable to it? I don't have a moral objection to any of these things in the slightest, like I think most here, I would land at a position of "do what you want, as long as you don't hurt anyone." But that gets tricky if you consider how many people are harmed via addictive products peddled by (often extremely) profitable enterprises, including in this case, the actual government in many places. Like, I have my vices, and they are all controlled. I don't feel I have any addiction at present. But I have friends and family who have struggled with these things, and this hand-wavey "make better choices" stuff just doesn't cut it for me. Some of these people I'm thinking of right now are blindingly intelligent, absolutely brilliant people, but no matter how smart you are, sometimes all it takes is the right kind of bullshit to turn your brains to mashed potatoes and suddenly you're giving away your life savings for more of it. Like, genuinely, good for you if you, like me, can just control your vices and not succumb to them like many can. Genuinely, I'm happy for you (and me!) but like... what about everyone else? Is having the wrong kind of brain just damn you to spend your entire life being robbed blind because "freedom"?
- bigstrat2003 2y ago
  > Is it? Is an alcoholic's decision to drink, or a heroin addict's decision to shoot up? Is it a person with attention issues' decision to spend unreasonable amounts of money on micro-transaction-powered games? Yes. Obviously the choices involved are easier or harder for individuals based on their predilections. But at the end of the day, it is still their choice.
  - ToucanLoucan 2y ago
    "Predilections" in this context being measurable, structural/chemical differences in their brains, that they can do literally nothing about? Or are you thinking more about life circumstances, also often not their fault, that make them acutely vulnerable to it?
  - bill_joy_fanboy 2y ago
    You and the top-level commenter clearly don't have a grasp on the neurology of addiction. Addiction is a disorder that can't be controlled. The person with the addiction can control it for short periods of time, but it eventually overwhelms them. If being addicted were a rational choice, we would not be able to addict rats to drugs and behaviors. Are rats making a rational decision? I think not.
  - John23832 2y ago
    This comment makes is pretty obvious that you have not personally dealt with, and probably do not intimately know anyone who has dealt with, addition. Congrats to you.
- tekla 2y ago
  > Like, genuinely, good for you if you, like me, can just control your vices and not succumb to them like many can. Genuinely, I'm happy for you (and me!) but like... what about everyone else? Is having the wrong kind of brain just damn you to spend your entire life being robbed blind because "freedom"? Yes. I have my own vices, but yes. I do not want to impose religious values on others.
- Eridrus 2y ago
  I think the drug war has been such a colossal failure (often doing more harm to many of the people it was ostensibly meant to protect) that trying to make comparisons to drugs doesn't make the argument that you want. I think sports gambling is clearly less addictive than drugs since underground gambling was never as big an industry as the drug trade, and I think that makes it far easier to deal with like a normal activity with externalities.
  - ToucanLoucan 2y ago
    > I think the drug war has been such a colossal failure (often doing more harm to many of the people it was ostensibly meant to protect) that trying to make comparisons to drugs doesn't make the argument that you want. I mean, valid point. But many mainstream folk who don't follow this science closely only associate addiction with drugs, hence the comparison. FWIW, I also oppose the drug war because the only thing it's accomplished reliably is enriching dangerous people, fostering the year over year growth of the authoritarian state, and making the drugs themselves far, far more dangerous than they ever had to be. > I think sports gambling is clearly less addictive than drugs since underground gambling was never as big an industry as the drug trade, and I think that makes it far easier to deal with like a normal activity with externalities. I would just park that as being underground gambling is far less required. If you want heroin, you need to go to an underground dealer, there's no "legitimate" source of heroin. If you want to gamble, there are absolutely oodles of sources for that, that are completely legal and above board.
    - nradov 2y ago
      Heroin is just one of many opioids, all of which have similar effects for addicts. There are still legitimate sources of prescription opioids such as Oxycontin, although legitimate healthcare providers are now more selective about prescribing.
- dgfitz 2y ago
  > Is it? Is an alcoholic's decision to drink, or a heroin addict's decision to shoot up? Is it a person with attention issues' decision to spend unreasonable amounts of money on micro-transaction-powered games? Of that list, the only one that doesn't have commercials is heroin.
- webkike 2y ago
  A human can become addicted to literally any behavior. The solution isn’t to make illegal the behaviors that can be harmful when done in excess, it is to provide addiction counseling resources at no cost funded by the people who can control themselves. And higher amounts of control, like allowing users to ban themselves, or indicators that flag users as problem gamblers. Making the behaviors illegal doesn’t actually help people you mention, it just drives them to less safe avenues and jail. Hardly help if you ask me. People also have a right to discover for themselves that something is dangerous to them personally. It sucks, but not everyone is going to know off the bat that they have alcoholic tendencies.
  - ToucanLoucan 2y ago
    I find it interesting that everyone is assuming I want gambling made illegal or something, when I said nothing of the sort. The comment I replied to postulates that gambling is fine because it's the person's choice. I replied asking if that was necessarily true given all of what we have learned and are learning about addiction, drawing comparisons to substances/behaviors, illicit and otherwise, that are known to be addictive. And everyone thinks I'm some moral crusader who wants to ban everything. I don't, FWIW. I just think these questions are important and the answers are more complicated than "everyone can and should do whatever they want" or "everyone has to eat nothing but corn flakes and eschew all temptations in life for Jesus." Though, I will say that I find it off-putting how many states in my Untied States are apparently totally fine with juicing their budgets with the profits of gambling enterprises. Like... we can definitely have gambling, but it feels exploitative that the state itself is raising money, even if that money is for public services, off the backs of known-to-be-addictive products.
  - peepee1982 2y ago
    Your argument is overly simplistic. Just because people can get addicted to anything doesn’t mean we should do nothing. Relying on personal responsibility alone is a cop-out, especially with something as addictive as sports betting. Making it taboo or illegal could actually reduce harm by making it less acceptable and accessible. Prevention beats cleanup any day. Let’s not pretend that counseling alone is enough to solve this.
- mrsilencedogood 2y ago
  Humanity is going to face a reckoning about free will and agency at some point, I think. If the gambler is but a slave to their lizard brain, then isn't the murderer too? Surely no-one sits down and performs calculus and determines "I will gamble" or "I will murder", they both come from an impairment of our higher senses of reasoning by our baser instincts of rage or pleasure. I'm obviously not advocating for murder, to be clear. But maybe if we better understand our position philosophically, maybe we'll end up with less brutal prisons ("they're not in here because they are ontologically evil, but because their hardware predisposes them to harm others and we have to contain them for the good of the many") and more sympathetic/realistic laws that focus on controlling harm and are less caught up in vague notions of "freedom" (the freedom to have your hardware bugs exploited by gambling companies?) that are too shallow in the face of a better philosophical understanding of what free will and agency look like for creatures whose programming is primarily informed by a billion years of evolution to crave orgasms and sugar.
  - TimTheTinker 2y ago
    I think a large cohort of western society is in active rebellion against the Christian values that came before. This is already resulting in a rejection of the notions of moral agency and accountability (which are not unique to monotheistic religions or cultures). I won't take either side here - just an observation. That aside, there's another dimension that is implicitly getting thrown out as well—and it's one that every well-developed civilization in history respected (including ours, until recently). That's the notion of wisdom as opposed to folly. That is, there are generally commendable and rewarding patterns of attitude and behavior; and there are patterns of attitude and behavior that lead to personal and corporate ruin. Chief among them is the golden rule ("treat others the way you'd want to be treated, and don't treat others the way you wouldn't want to be treated"), which is repeated in just about every ancient civilization's wisdom literature, and which is essential to civilizations and cultures surviving over the long term, not to mention building and keeping personal relationships. This "do what you will, just don't hurt anyone" contradicts thousands of years of wisdom and forgets that it's possible to live well and be remembered with honor.
  - dwighttk 2y ago
- BLKNSLVR 2y ago
  Looking at it through that lens, I can't see the advertising of gambling as any different from advertising suicide. It's a personal choice after all. Fuck those people who are already degenerate suiciders, they should just get some control. (/s to the last two sentences). Advertising bright shiny new toys to children. Advertising big 4wd trucks to adult males who haven't progressed to emotional maturity beyond the level of the children to whom bright shiny new toys are advertised. Advertising as a whole is a fucking shit show. Swap your hard earned for this thing that might make you feel like your life is slightly more worthwhile for a few seconds. Pbbbt (flapping lips and tongue noise).
- sebastiansm 2y ago
  What could be a solution to balance the freedom vs harm of those services? For an adhd brain most of the internet is addictive, at least for me. My solution was to delete my social media accounts (still youtube is a problem), but I wouldn't want to be banned from those services just by my pre-condition.
  - ToucanLoucan 2y ago
    I mean, social media and so many other contemporary internet products are engineered to be addictive, but that's to juice the revenue of their parent companies because their sole revenue is often advertising and addiction keeps people in their services longer and more frequently. It isn't a natural, innate feature of having, for example, a website where you and your friends share photos, make plans, and post things for one another to see. The addictive elements are almost universally the "gamification" of those services. I think it's perfectly a solvable problem to have a social media service that performs all the jobs the users would want, while not pounding dopamine out of their brains continuously to make sure they never want to put their phones down.
silisili 2y ago
The big problem for me (outside of the annoying betting line during broadcasts) is that it ruins the integrity of the game. How can we be sure it's even a real contest anymore, and that a player(s) aren't throwing the game? Sure it's a problem old as time, but it feels like today it's a lot easier to get caught up in with the massive amounts of money swinging by.
- dgfitz 2y ago
  I would posit that it is easier to get caught now than it has ever been. I've heard of more players getting caught and banned in the past few years than I have in the past 20.
- Larrikin 2y ago
  I think player's salaries in the big leagues are high enough for players to not ruin their income for the most part. The few players that get caught are banned and punished extremely harshly.
- nradov 2y ago
  Some teams have intentionally thrown games just to get higher draft picks for the next season. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-astros-tanked-their-way-to-the-top/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-astros-tanked-their...
  - mrinfinitiesx 2y ago
    They do/did it in e-sports too. But for video game skins they can trade for money. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-Strike_match_fixing_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-Strike_match_fixing_sc...
- adamrezich 2y ago
  This is why election betting being legal and even frequently cited these days is kinda crazy to me.
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bill_joy_fanboy 2y ago
If problem gambling were a rational decision, there would be no problem gamblers. I don't think you have a good grasp on the psychiatric issues at play here.
- ASalazarMX 2y ago
  Let's invest in mental health instead then. Gambling is not a disease, it's a symptom of a deeper psychological need that isn't getting addressed or managed. Even hands-on statistics and probability education would be a great benefit to gamblers, as they find how wearing their grandmother's lucky ring has no influence on the statistical rewards of slot machines.
mrinfinitiesx 2y ago
I agree with your sentiments that advertisement during a game should be illegal. Addiction hits people hard. Not just people.. FAMILIES. Life is hard enough and people without knowing they can fall in to it unexpectedly, or are peer pressured to try it. You get that dopamine hit. One little win. One win here, one win there. Betting more and more. Then it's all gone. Yeah, it is their decision. It's their decision to quit too, and that's hard. Internet gambling hits kids with video game skins/trades, I don't agree with that either.. it sets them on the wrong, and I do me very wrong path. It's an epidemic. I live in a small town where indian reservations collect everybody's social security checks. They sit there like zombies and press the button hoping for a return, never getting one. Push. Push. Push. Money gone. Many of my friends lost themselves to betting and gambling addiction, and addiction over all. While I agree, it's their decision, addiction takes the best humans in my opinion. I believe in things that better people, we may not always know what they are, but a positive influence from somebody can start right here: I believe in you, and if you're out there and have a gambling addiction, there is hope and you can fight it, and you aren't lost. https://www.ncpgambling.org/help-treatment/help-by-state/ https://www.ncpgambling.org/help-treatment/help-by-state/ - https://www.ncpgambling.org/help-treatment/treatment-facilities/ https://www.ncpgambling.org/help-treatment/treatment-facilit... And if you want to just talk about it, my e-mails in my profile and we can message from there. I'm completely anti-gambling, but to each their own if somebody wants to I won't try to persuade them.
- aaomidi 2y ago
  Gambling is effectively taking advantage of a subset of society that is significantly less likely to be able to stand against the “allure” of it. This is why IMO in a civilized society it should be banned. But we’re not living in a civilized society so…
  - indigo0086 2y ago
    Those people will still exist and their predisposed "allure" will be directed to something else. Trying to create bettet people by pressing buttons here and there to hide things from their sight gets complicated and intrusive fast
Apreche 2y ago
This is the same idea that I have been spreading. There is one problem with this idea. The advertising isn't just a means to convince fans to gamble. It's also the way that the gambling revenues are shared. If not for buying ads, how else can the gambling companies give any of the money to the league, broadcasters, or media? And if the league, broadcasters, and media don't get a share of the gambling money by selling advertisements, why would they even allow the gambling in the first place?
- 5555624 2y ago
  > And if the league, broadcasters, and media don't get a share of the gambling money by selling advertisements, why would they even allow the gambling in the first place? Because they're greedy and want any money they can get. They don't "allow" gambling, the law permits gambling. If it was illegal, no one would advertise it and they wouldn't get a dime. Why is it legal? Taxes. Legal gambling means the government collects taxes.

ToucanLoucan 2y ago

> If people want to gamble that's their decision. Is it? Is an alcoholic's decision to drink, or a heroin addict's decision to shoot up? Is it a person with attention issues' decision to spend unreasonable amounts of money on micro-transaction-powered games? Is it anyone who suffers from a neurodivergency that fucks with dopamine's choice to engage in these activities because their brains are just plain more vulnerable to it? I don't have a moral objection to any of these things in the slightest, like I think most here, I would land at a position of "do what you want, as long as you don't hurt anyone." But that gets tricky if you consider how many people are harmed via addictive products peddled by (often extremely) profitable enterprises, including in this case, the actual government in many places. Like, I have my vices, and they are all controlled. I don't feel I have any addiction at present. But I have friends and family who have struggled with these things, and this hand-wavey "make better choices" stuff just doesn't cut it for me. Some of these people I'm thinking of right now are blindingly intelligent, absolutely brilliant people, but no matter how smart you are, sometimes all it takes is the right kind of bullshit to turn your brains to mashed potatoes and suddenly you're giving away your life savings for more of it. Like, genuinely, good for you if you, like me, can just control your vices and not succumb to them like many can. Genuinely, I'm happy for you (and me!) but like... what about everyone else? Is having the wrong kind of brain just damn you to spend your entire life being robbed blind because "freedom"?

bigstrat2003 2y ago
> Is it? Is an alcoholic's decision to drink, or a heroin addict's decision to shoot up? Is it a person with attention issues' decision to spend unreasonable amounts of money on micro-transaction-powered games? Yes. Obviously the choices involved are easier or harder for individuals based on their predilections. But at the end of the day, it is still their choice.
- ToucanLoucan 2y ago
  "Predilections" in this context being measurable, structural/chemical differences in their brains, that they can do literally nothing about? Or are you thinking more about life circumstances, also often not their fault, that make them acutely vulnerable to it?
- bill_joy_fanboy 2y ago
  You and the top-level commenter clearly don't have a grasp on the neurology of addiction. Addiction is a disorder that can't be controlled. The person with the addiction can control it for short periods of time, but it eventually overwhelms them. If being addicted were a rational choice, we would not be able to addict rats to drugs and behaviors. Are rats making a rational decision? I think not.
- John23832 2y ago
  This comment makes is pretty obvious that you have not personally dealt with, and probably do not intimately know anyone who has dealt with, addition. Congrats to you.
tekla 2y ago
> Like, genuinely, good for you if you, like me, can just control your vices and not succumb to them like many can. Genuinely, I'm happy for you (and me!) but like... what about everyone else? Is having the wrong kind of brain just damn you to spend your entire life being robbed blind because "freedom"? Yes. I have my own vices, but yes. I do not want to impose religious values on others.
Eridrus 2y ago
I think the drug war has been such a colossal failure (often doing more harm to many of the people it was ostensibly meant to protect) that trying to make comparisons to drugs doesn't make the argument that you want. I think sports gambling is clearly less addictive than drugs since underground gambling was never as big an industry as the drug trade, and I think that makes it far easier to deal with like a normal activity with externalities.
- ToucanLoucan 2y ago
  > I think the drug war has been such a colossal failure (often doing more harm to many of the people it was ostensibly meant to protect) that trying to make comparisons to drugs doesn't make the argument that you want. I mean, valid point. But many mainstream folk who don't follow this science closely only associate addiction with drugs, hence the comparison. FWIW, I also oppose the drug war because the only thing it's accomplished reliably is enriching dangerous people, fostering the year over year growth of the authoritarian state, and making the drugs themselves far, far more dangerous than they ever had to be. > I think sports gambling is clearly less addictive than drugs since underground gambling was never as big an industry as the drug trade, and I think that makes it far easier to deal with like a normal activity with externalities. I would just park that as being underground gambling is far less required. If you want heroin, you need to go to an underground dealer, there's no "legitimate" source of heroin. If you want to gamble, there are absolutely oodles of sources for that, that are completely legal and above board.
  - nradov 2y ago
    Heroin is just one of many opioids, all of which have similar effects for addicts. There are still legitimate sources of prescription opioids such as Oxycontin, although legitimate healthcare providers are now more selective about prescribing.
dgfitz 2y ago
> Is it? Is an alcoholic's decision to drink, or a heroin addict's decision to shoot up? Is it a person with attention issues' decision to spend unreasonable amounts of money on micro-transaction-powered games? Of that list, the only one that doesn't have commercials is heroin.
webkike 2y ago
A human can become addicted to literally any behavior. The solution isn’t to make illegal the behaviors that can be harmful when done in excess, it is to provide addiction counseling resources at no cost funded by the people who can control themselves. And higher amounts of control, like allowing users to ban themselves, or indicators that flag users as problem gamblers. Making the behaviors illegal doesn’t actually help people you mention, it just drives them to less safe avenues and jail. Hardly help if you ask me. People also have a right to discover for themselves that something is dangerous to them personally. It sucks, but not everyone is going to know off the bat that they have alcoholic tendencies.
- ToucanLoucan 2y ago
  I find it interesting that everyone is assuming I want gambling made illegal or something, when I said nothing of the sort. The comment I replied to postulates that gambling is fine because it's the person's choice. I replied asking if that was necessarily true given all of what we have learned and are learning about addiction, drawing comparisons to substances/behaviors, illicit and otherwise, that are known to be addictive. And everyone thinks I'm some moral crusader who wants to ban everything. I don't, FWIW. I just think these questions are important and the answers are more complicated than "everyone can and should do whatever they want" or "everyone has to eat nothing but corn flakes and eschew all temptations in life for Jesus." Though, I will say that I find it off-putting how many states in my Untied States are apparently totally fine with juicing their budgets with the profits of gambling enterprises. Like... we can definitely have gambling, but it feels exploitative that the state itself is raising money, even if that money is for public services, off the backs of known-to-be-addictive products.
- peepee1982 2y ago
  Your argument is overly simplistic. Just because people can get addicted to anything doesn’t mean we should do nothing. Relying on personal responsibility alone is a cop-out, especially with something as addictive as sports betting. Making it taboo or illegal could actually reduce harm by making it less acceptable and accessible. Prevention beats cleanup any day. Let’s not pretend that counseling alone is enough to solve this.
mrsilencedogood 2y ago
Humanity is going to face a reckoning about free will and agency at some point, I think. If the gambler is but a slave to their lizard brain, then isn't the murderer too? Surely no-one sits down and performs calculus and determines "I will gamble" or "I will murder", they both come from an impairment of our higher senses of reasoning by our baser instincts of rage or pleasure. I'm obviously not advocating for murder, to be clear. But maybe if we better understand our position philosophically, maybe we'll end up with less brutal prisons ("they're not in here because they are ontologically evil, but because their hardware predisposes them to harm others and we have to contain them for the good of the many") and more sympathetic/realistic laws that focus on controlling harm and are less caught up in vague notions of "freedom" (the freedom to have your hardware bugs exploited by gambling companies?) that are too shallow in the face of a better philosophical understanding of what free will and agency look like for creatures whose programming is primarily informed by a billion years of evolution to crave orgasms and sugar.
- TimTheTinker 2y ago
  I think a large cohort of western society is in active rebellion against the Christian values that came before. This is already resulting in a rejection of the notions of moral agency and accountability (which are not unique to monotheistic religions or cultures). I won't take either side here - just an observation. That aside, there's another dimension that is implicitly getting thrown out as well—and it's one that every well-developed civilization in history respected (including ours, until recently). That's the notion of wisdom as opposed to folly. That is, there are generally commendable and rewarding patterns of attitude and behavior; and there are patterns of attitude and behavior that lead to personal and corporate ruin. Chief among them is the golden rule ("treat others the way you'd want to be treated, and don't treat others the way you wouldn't want to be treated"), which is repeated in just about every ancient civilization's wisdom literature, and which is essential to civilizations and cultures surviving over the long term, not to mention building and keeping personal relationships. This "do what you will, just don't hurt anyone" contradicts thousands of years of wisdom and forgets that it's possible to live well and be remembered with honor.
- dwighttk 2y ago
BLKNSLVR 2y ago
Looking at it through that lens, I can't see the advertising of gambling as any different from advertising suicide. It's a personal choice after all. Fuck those people who are already degenerate suiciders, they should just get some control. (/s to the last two sentences). Advertising bright shiny new toys to children. Advertising big 4wd trucks to adult males who haven't progressed to emotional maturity beyond the level of the children to whom bright shiny new toys are advertised. Advertising as a whole is a fucking shit show. Swap your hard earned for this thing that might make you feel like your life is slightly more worthwhile for a few seconds. Pbbbt (flapping lips and tongue noise).
sebastiansm 2y ago
What could be a solution to balance the freedom vs harm of those services? For an adhd brain most of the internet is addictive, at least for me. My solution was to delete my social media accounts (still youtube is a problem), but I wouldn't want to be banned from those services just by my pre-condition.
- ToucanLoucan 2y ago
  I mean, social media and so many other contemporary internet products are engineered to be addictive, but that's to juice the revenue of their parent companies because their sole revenue is often advertising and addiction keeps people in their services longer and more frequently. It isn't a natural, innate feature of having, for example, a website where you and your friends share photos, make plans, and post things for one another to see. The addictive elements are almost universally the "gamification" of those services. I think it's perfectly a solvable problem to have a social media service that performs all the jobs the users would want, while not pounding dopamine out of their brains continuously to make sure they never want to put their phones down.

silisili 2y ago

The big problem for me (outside of the annoying betting line during broadcasts) is that it ruins the integrity of the game. How can we be sure it's even a real contest anymore, and that a player(s) aren't throwing the game? Sure it's a problem old as time, but it feels like today it's a lot easier to get caught up in with the massive amounts of money swinging by.

dgfitz 2y ago
I would posit that it is easier to get caught now than it has ever been. I've heard of more players getting caught and banned in the past few years than I have in the past 20.
Larrikin 2y ago
I think player's salaries in the big leagues are high enough for players to not ruin their income for the most part. The few players that get caught are banned and punished extremely harshly.
nradov 2y ago
Some teams have intentionally thrown games just to get higher draft picks for the next season. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-astros-tanked-their-way-to-the-top/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-astros-tanked-their...
- mrinfinitiesx 2y ago
  They do/did it in e-sports too. But for video game skins they can trade for money. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-Strike_match_fixing_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-Strike_match_fixing_sc...
adamrezich 2y ago
This is why election betting being legal and even frequently cited these days is kinda crazy to me.
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bill_joy_fanboy 2y ago

If problem gambling were a rational decision, there would be no problem gamblers. I don't think you have a good grasp on the psychiatric issues at play here.

ASalazarMX 2y ago
Let's invest in mental health instead then. Gambling is not a disease, it's a symptom of a deeper psychological need that isn't getting addressed or managed. Even hands-on statistics and probability education would be a great benefit to gamblers, as they find how wearing their grandmother's lucky ring has no influence on the statistical rewards of slot machines.

mrinfinitiesx 2y ago

I agree with your sentiments that advertisement during a game should be illegal. Addiction hits people hard. Not just people.. FAMILIES. Life is hard enough and people without knowing they can fall in to it unexpectedly, or are peer pressured to try it. You get that dopamine hit. One little win. One win here, one win there. Betting more and more. Then it's all gone. Yeah, it is their decision. It's their decision to quit too, and that's hard. Internet gambling hits kids with video game skins/trades, I don't agree with that either.. it sets them on the wrong, and I do me very wrong path. It's an epidemic. I live in a small town where indian reservations collect everybody's social security checks. They sit there like zombies and press the button hoping for a return, never getting one. Push. Push. Push. Money gone. Many of my friends lost themselves to betting and gambling addiction, and addiction over all. While I agree, it's their decision, addiction takes the best humans in my opinion. I believe in things that better people, we may not always know what they are, but a positive influence from somebody can start right here: I believe in you, and if you're out there and have a gambling addiction, there is hope and you can fight it, and you aren't lost. https://www.ncpgambling.org/help-treatment/help-by-state/ https://www.ncpgambling.org/help-treatment/help-by-state/ - https://www.ncpgambling.org/help-treatment/treatment-facilities/ https://www.ncpgambling.org/help-treatment/treatment-facilit... And if you want to just talk about it, my e-mails in my profile and we can message from there. I'm completely anti-gambling, but to each their own if somebody wants to I won't try to persuade them.

aaomidi 2y ago
Gambling is effectively taking advantage of a subset of society that is significantly less likely to be able to stand against the “allure” of it. This is why IMO in a civilized society it should be banned. But we’re not living in a civilized society so…
- indigo0086 2y ago
  Those people will still exist and their predisposed "allure" will be directed to something else. Trying to create bettet people by pressing buttons here and there to hide things from their sight gets complicated and intrusive fast

Apreche 2y ago

This is the same idea that I have been spreading. There is one problem with this idea. The advertising isn't just a means to convince fans to gamble. It's also the way that the gambling revenues are shared. If not for buying ads, how else can the gambling companies give any of the money to the league, broadcasters, or media? And if the league, broadcasters, and media don't get a share of the gambling money by selling advertisements, why would they even allow the gambling in the first place?

5555624 2y ago
> And if the league, broadcasters, and media don't get a share of the gambling money by selling advertisements, why would they even allow the gambling in the first place? Because they're greedy and want any money they can get. They don't "allow" gambling, the law permits gambling. If it was illegal, no one would advertise it and they wouldn't get a dime. Why is it legal? Taxes. Legal gambling means the government collects taxes.