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I'm surprised it took you this long to realize how deeply the propaganda machine runs

by greenavocado 2y ago

kraftman 2y ago
what would be the goal of this specific propodanda?
- throw_pm23 2y ago
  Views, clicks to ads, subscriptions, a false feeling of being hip and "on the inside".
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - kraftman 2y ago
    is that propoganda? whats the political view its pushing?
- vundercind 2y ago
  Beastie boys greatest hits album coming out? Interviews and “cute” stories that aren’t really news suddenly hitting the media is usually some kind of PR or marketing effort.
  - kraftman 2y ago
    Sure, but marketing and PR arent propoganda unless they are pushing a political cause or point of view right?
    - vundercind 2y ago
      Yes, good point, propaganda does connote promoting an ideology.
    - throw_pm23 2y ago
      sorry, I used propaganda in the original latin sense of "something intended to be propagated", which includes all the others too :)
swores 2y ago
I too hate propaganda from Big Anti-Gold Record industry. Sarcasm aside, what reason does which 'propaganda machine' have for considering this story relevant to anything they might care about?
- rrobukef 2y ago
  Don't you scenario-test your processes? /s
- 082349872349872 2y ago
  30th anniversary rerelease of Ill Communication, on vinyl? https://www.turntablelab.com/search?type=article,page,product&q=Ill+Communication+30th https://www.turntablelab.com/search?type=article,page,produc...
- add-sub-mul-div 2y ago
  It's an age of demagoguery. Distrust of the press has been curated and weaponized. People have been trained to exercise distrust as a relfex rather than skepticism as a tool. There's always people in these threads virtue signaling distrust and cynicism.
anonfornoreason 2y ago
The parent poster is getting downvoted, for I think obvious reasons (instantly bringing a broader topic to a narrow political hot take), but I don't think they are wrong. From what I can tell the mainstream media (which unfortunately has blended itself into a stew of "real news" and opinion pieces through their own outlets and through various readers) exists to serve a couple of interests. In this case, I think this would be called "earned media" in marketing speak. A "journalist" or someone working in a news organization knows a bunch of PR associated people who have lines on what could be called lifestyle newspieces. The juicier the lifestyle piece the more clicks the org gets, so cultivating these relationships with PR firms that push this stuff results in revenue for the news org. That PR firm might push the segment onto multiple receivers, so you get a little critical mass. The second interest, what the parent poster is alluding to, is the political party that the news organization and their journalists are aligned with. Since everything political now is so existential, the entire news organization ends up having this zeitgeist of pushing their political agenda. And obviously we are at where we are at in no small part by the shock outrage clicks political news headlines receive. So, I don't think the parent is wrong, but it's more complicated than "it's all propaganda". Criticising the mainstream media has become popular in the last 10 years, but goddamn it's so easy to do because of how transparent the whole process has become.
- 082349872349872 2y ago
  At first "propaganda" referred indiscriminately to both the political and the economic variants; after WWI (née "The Great War") left a bad taste for the term, it was quickly rebranded, with the political version turning into "psychological warfare" and the economic "public relations".
  - cafard 2y ago
    Initially, "propaganda" referred to the Congregatio de propaganda fide, the congregation for propagating the faith, established in the 17th Century.
  - joseda-hg 2y ago
    This is still a thing in other languages, Venezuelan Spanish still calls "propagandas" what Anglos call Comercials (I don't think I've heard it in other variations, maybe Colombian Spanish)
ranger207 2y ago
idk man, maybe people in general happen to like similar things and share them around

I'm surprised it took you this long to realize how deeply the propaganda machine runs

kraftman 2y ago

what would be the goal of this specific propodanda?

throw_pm23 2y ago
Views, clicks to ads, subscriptions, a false feeling of being hip and "on the inside".
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
- kraftman 2y ago
  is that propoganda? whats the political view its pushing?
vundercind 2y ago
Beastie boys greatest hits album coming out? Interviews and “cute” stories that aren’t really news suddenly hitting the media is usually some kind of PR or marketing effort.
- kraftman 2y ago
  Sure, but marketing and PR arent propoganda unless they are pushing a political cause or point of view right?
  - vundercind 2y ago
    Yes, good point, propaganda does connote promoting an ideology.
  - throw_pm23 2y ago
    sorry, I used propaganda in the original latin sense of "something intended to be propagated", which includes all the others too :)

swores 2y ago

I too hate propaganda from Big Anti-Gold Record industry. Sarcasm aside, what reason does which 'propaganda machine' have for considering this story relevant to anything they might care about?

rrobukef 2y ago
Don't you scenario-test your processes? /s
082349872349872 2y ago
30th anniversary rerelease of Ill Communication, on vinyl? https://www.turntablelab.com/search?type=article,page,product&q=Ill+Communication+30th https://www.turntablelab.com/search?type=article,page,produc...
add-sub-mul-div 2y ago
It's an age of demagoguery. Distrust of the press has been curated and weaponized. People have been trained to exercise distrust as a relfex rather than skepticism as a tool. There's always people in these threads virtue signaling distrust and cynicism.

anonfornoreason 2y ago

The parent poster is getting downvoted, for I think obvious reasons (instantly bringing a broader topic to a narrow political hot take), but I don't think they are wrong. From what I can tell the mainstream media (which unfortunately has blended itself into a stew of "real news" and opinion pieces through their own outlets and through various readers) exists to serve a couple of interests. In this case, I think this would be called "earned media" in marketing speak. A "journalist" or someone working in a news organization knows a bunch of PR associated people who have lines on what could be called lifestyle newspieces. The juicier the lifestyle piece the more clicks the org gets, so cultivating these relationships with PR firms that push this stuff results in revenue for the news org. That PR firm might push the segment onto multiple receivers, so you get a little critical mass. The second interest, what the parent poster is alluding to, is the political party that the news organization and their journalists are aligned with. Since everything political now is so existential, the entire news organization ends up having this zeitgeist of pushing their political agenda. And obviously we are at where we are at in no small part by the shock outrage clicks political news headlines receive. So, I don't think the parent is wrong, but it's more complicated than "it's all propaganda". Criticising the mainstream media has become popular in the last 10 years, but goddamn it's so easy to do because of how transparent the whole process has become.

082349872349872 2y ago
At first "propaganda" referred indiscriminately to both the political and the economic variants; after WWI (née "The Great War") left a bad taste for the term, it was quickly rebranded, with the political version turning into "psychological warfare" and the economic "public relations".
- cafard 2y ago
  Initially, "propaganda" referred to the Congregatio de propaganda fide, the congregation for propagating the faith, established in the 17th Century.
- joseda-hg 2y ago
  This is still a thing in other languages, Venezuelan Spanish still calls "propagandas" what Anglos call Comercials (I don't think I've heard it in other variations, maybe Colombian Spanish)

ranger207 2y ago

idk man, maybe people in general happen to like similar things and share them around