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After all of the frustration I experienced getting Windows 11 setup in a way that was comfortable for me to use I'm ready to switch to Linux the next time I nee
by isk517 2y ago
After all of the frustration I experienced getting Windows 11 setup in a way that was comfortable for me to use I'm ready to switch to Linux the next time I need to reinstall a operating system. So glad that SteamDeck is making Linux gaming viable. Now we just need the GPU manufactures to give Linus the same driver support Windows gets.
- owenpalmer 2y agohttps://youtu.be/OF_5EKNX0Eg?si=fFi2L2k2J6TvTRtc https://youtu.be/OF_5EKNX0Eg?si=fFi2L2k2J6TvTRtc
- mdp2021 2y agoThe above would be Linus Torvalds saying > Nvidia has been the single worst company we have ever dealt with. So, Nvidia: [angrily for moment, wags a middle finger to the camera] fuck you.
- wetpaws 2y ago[dead]
- shepherdjerred 2y agoI had similar feelings about Windows 11, but I recently found the Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC build, and it works perfectly for me. Debloated and no ads. You do have to do a little bit of troubleshooting, install extra components (e.g. to install the Microsoft store), etc., but it was significantly easier than debloating a regular Windows 11 install. https://massgrave.dev/windows_ltsc_links https://massgrave.dev/windows_ltsc_links
- candiddevmike 2y agoWhy would I want to roll the dice with Windows install media from a third-party site instead of just using Linux (and possibly making it work better?)
- shepherdjerred 2y agoYou can verify the integrity of the files yourself. They provide instructions. https://massgrave.dev/genuine-installation-media#verify-authenticity-of-files https://massgrave.dev/genuine-installation-media#verify-auth... > instead of just using Linux (and possibly making it work better?) I want a PC that can play games without hassle. I love Linux, computing, and complexity, but sometimes I want something that just works consistently. Linux has gotten better over the years, especially as far as compatibility goes, but it's still _much_ harder to use than Windows.
- surgical_fire 2y ago> Linux has gotten better over the years, especially as far as compatibility goes, but it's still _much_ harder to use than Windows I dispute that notion I was a Windows user from 95 all the way to 10. Yearly formats with fresh installs were a constant through the whole time. Ever since I switched to Linux things are surprisingly stable. My laptop is running as well as my fresh install from more than 2 years ago.
- shepherdjerred 2y agoIf you installed your favorite distro on the average person's computer then they would likely not have a positive experience.
- klaussilveira 2y agoCare to elaborate why? Everything the average person uses in 2024 is browser based. As long as Chrome is there, they won't notice any difference.
- minkles 2y agoI just got off the phone from my aunt who was filling forms in with Adobe Reader, editing word documents sent from her solicitor. No it's not all in a browser. That's a shitty assumption and one that should not be forced upon anyone. I always wonder how many people have been fucked over by a helpful relative giving them a Linux install with a browser and telling them to get on with it ...
- binkHN 2y agoI thought about going down this route, but decided not to; if Microsoft is purposefully making it challenging to make Windows usable, why should I devote resources trying to fight it?
- shepherdjerred 2y agoFor me, simply because I was tired of the shortcomings of Linux. I wanted something closer to a gaming console vs spending a week to get Ethernet over Thunderbolt working.
- snovymgodym 2y agoHow do you know you can trust massgravel?
- shepherdjerred 2y agoI commented this below. They provide verification steps: https://massgrave.dev/genuine-installation-media#verify-authenticity-of-files https://massgrave.dev/genuine-installation-media#verify-auth...
- snovymgodym 2y agoI don't mean the ISOs, I mean the 10k+ line batch script used to activate windows.
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- minkles 2y agoAh you'll spend all that time trying to get Linux to do all that and then it'll hit a wall somewhere and 1-2 apps you really need won't work so you'll be ready to switch back to Windows 11 the next time you need to reinstall an operating system. They all suck the same. In different ways.
- surgical_fire 2y agoI've been on Mint for 2 years. Never looked back. I never hit that wall you speak of. Has been so amazing I donate 20 bucks every year to the project, just because I feel it has no right being at the same time free and that good.
- minkles 2y agoCongratulations. That did not work for me. Once in the last 25 years of trying apart from a small bit between 2003-2004 when Fedora worked.
- rahen 2y agoIt always has...
- minkles 2y agoApart from the bit where it didn't like the fractional scaling that still doesn't work properly, the power management issues, the absolutely terrible inconsistent user experience, the poor photo management and editing applications, the non-existent support for working with other people via the apps that they use etc etc. It works for a narrow group of vocal people who use it for specific tasks but generic and usable, it is not.
- rurp 2y agoI get that you strongly prefer Windows, and that's fine, but this part... > the absolutely terrible inconsistent user experience really? That would make sense as an argument for MacOS, but Windows is an absolute dumpster fire when it comes to consistent UX.
- jcalvinowens 2y ago> Now we just need the GPU manufactures to give Linus the same driver support Windows gets. We're already there: AMD has first class upstream Linux support! I played steam games for ten hours on 6.11-rc3 last week with zero problems, on a very old userland (Debian bullseye). The amdgpu driver was built-in, not a module.
- kmarc 2y agoWe organized a LAN PARTY (oh my, what a flashback) in 2005 in our student hostel, where we played CS / Half Life on wine, under Linux. I thought we were already there, 19years ago
- jcalvinowens 2y agoI'm not using Wine, it's all native. That's the big deal for me: it took zero effort from me, it Just Works.
- xrd 2y agoWell, if this is steam, isn't it proton, which is wine underneath? I'm not discounting your experiences at all, btw. My 11 year old has been using Ubuntu as his main gaming rig, and the NVidia drivers work incredibly well and Steam games just work. It's still mind boggling to me that it works so well. And, I no longer have to troubleshoot removing Windows virii from his computer.
- kmarc 2y agoSure, I didn't want to belittle your experience at all. It's great that vendors think about Linux as first class citizens on desktop , too. My understanding though, is that most of "steam games" are still windows binaries + wine + patches (proton, etc). It's well hidden behind a nice GUI, but the tech couldn't exist without the legacy of pure old wine.
- jcalvinowens 2y agoHahaha not belittling at all, I'm just old enough that "running X with Wine" means "spending hours upon hours pulling your hair out until X barely works" to me. Getting it for free feels like cheating :)
- hintymad 2y ago> same driver support Windows gets. Naive question: Most of ML workload in a datacenter runs on Linux, for which I assume there's good driver support. Why do we say that Nvidia does not have enough driver support on linux?
- emporas 2y agoAs far as i know, Nvidia drivers are not stable enough. When a driver crashes in a data center the computer might reboot and continue the operation after some minutes. When a player plays a game and the graphic card crashes, he might readily switch to Windows.
- eitally 2y agoIt's a reasonable but naive question. There's a big difference between Nvidia offering driver/CUDA support for DC hardware vs providing driver support for desktop/gaming gear. There's also a big difference between the quality & consistency of driver support for desktop GPUs between Nvidia & AMD.
- pantalaimon 2y agoIt's the very same driver. And one big selling point of NVIDIA has always been that you could run CUDA on your consumer card too - unlike AMD where their compute stack of the day would only run on a select few cards of the last generation.
- okanat 2y agoIt is mostly the same but the support that the DCs are getting are completely different. Nvidia can and does give them slightly tweaked drivers. Data centers ship a set of enterprise distros with tightly managed set of software that's been vetted. Since there are no binary guarantees in Linux, anything can happen with consumer hardware. Source: once worked as an student system admin in my university HPC center.
- talldayo 2y ago> Why do we say that Nvidia does not have enough driver support on linux? It's a long story. Nvidia has provided pretty-good datacenter/CUDA support on Linux for a long time, now. The problem is desktop Linux. Nvidia wanted to focus on supporting the old x11 desktop server at a time when most distros were switching to Wayland as a replacement. Nvidia tried to fix the issue by giving Linux devs a proprietary render API to develop Wayland support on, but it was largely rejected since it required writing a lot of platform-specific code. For a few years, the only way to properly accelerate Wayland on Nvidia hardware was to use the reverse-engineered Nouveau drivers that broke most desktop software - a catch-22 for Nvidia users that wanted a more updated desktop experience. Very recently, a few things started changing. For one, Nvidia started to shuffle around their proprietary GPU code to make their hardware more open and modular. For two, starting with 510-series drivers and continuing through 535 and 555, Nvidia has started to make Wayland support a priority. In the long-term this should resolve the issue of Nvidia GPUs requiring special workarounds to support modern desktops.
- jayd16 2y agoWhat frustrated you?
- Modified3019 2y agoThere’s definitely been a sea change in efforts to provide a better UX when it comes to gaming. When steamos released, it seems to motivate scattered efforts to start congregating together in a more coherent way. See also: https://bazzite.gg/ https://bazzite.gg/ https://chimeraos.org/ https://chimeraos.org/
- imbnwa 2y agoSerious PC gaming requires mod managers, which are all written for Windows AFAIK
- iechoz6H 2y agoThis comment would almost make sense 20 years ago (too)!
- brettermeier 2y agoWhat about using rufus with preset settings like not have to use a Microsoft Account and so on? Just drop a Windows iso in it and it will make a nice Windows copy out of it.
- taeric 2y agoI really don't think I can say enough good things about the Steam Deck. If you haven't seen it, they have even supported the device helping people install Windows on it. I am aware that Valve has done some shady stuff in the past. Given time, I'm sure they will do more in the future. Today, though, they are such a breath of fresh air for the support they have shown. Link: https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/6121-ECCD-D643-BAA8 https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/6121-ECCD-D643-BA...
- feoren 2y ago> I am aware that Valve has done some shady stuff in the past Oh man, what did they do in the past? I have Valve on my very short list of "good companies". Go ahead and rip off that band-aid: what are you referring to?
- taeric 2y agoWorst I know of, is that they were among the early movers on loot boxes. That said, my understanding is that their were not the same as the ones people grew to hate? I don't actually know the details that heavily.
- sva_ 2y agoThey never released Half Life 3. But any day now.
- machomaster 2y agoThey did though. Alyx is HL3.
- coryfklein 2y agoI'd wager that adding "I am aware that XYZ has done some shady stuff in the past" when praising any XYZ is starting to become a common defensive hygiene in internet forums generally, just to preempt that inevitable somebody who is "absolutely outraged" and wants to ruin your day because you could ever like XYZ.
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- __s 2y agohttps://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Softw... Steam still has Linux at only 2%, but agreed, I've been playing most Windows games fine through Proton
- imbnwa 2y agoAre you playing Cyberpunk or Alan Wake 2?
- __s 2y agoNo
- imbnwa 2y agoYeah trying to get an idea of how well Wine can handle intensive games
- __s 2y agohttps://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=20106 https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=applicatio... https://old.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/17h6kwt/do_we_know_if_alan_wake_2_work https://old.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/17h6kwt/do_we... https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=1743 https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=applicatio... But to backyp steam doing something right, https://www.reddit.com/r/Lutris/comments/vcnaqe/very_poor_performance_of_cyberpunk_2077_gog_but https://www.reddit.com/r/Lutris/comments/vcnaqe/very_poor_pe... so I can see winehq not being so useful when they just say game version x wine version, while steam's Proton may be better configured & kernel version / gpu etc matter. I'm on an AMD gpu
- imbnwa 2y agoForgot they had a user success list, thanks for pointing that out. Seems grim, but looks like things can only improve in the future at some point
- DesiLurker 2y agowith vulkan I do actually have some hope of this happening.