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Phone maker Nothing: staff back into the office 5 days/week or quit
- dmitrygr 2y agohttps://archive.is/XHOkr https://archive.is/XHOkr
- sitkack 2y ago[flagged]
- adl 2y agoCan you elaborate why?
- techostritch 2y agoAs a hiring manager as a remote first company, it really helps fill the talent pipeline.
- sitkack 2y ago:)
- ToxicMegacolon 2y agoYou hiring? :P
- Lord_Zero 2y agoHe's a troll
- rocketvole 2y agoalmost certainly. Return to office mandates are used typically to cull workforce without having to explain "layoffs" to stock holders and potentially reduce stock price. Turnover for "talent" is hilarious.
- sitkack 2y agoI assume you are talking about Carl Pei, you can't possibly know my pronoun or my species.
- wkat4242 2y agoProbably a /s. Or one of those people that just love sitting in the office to have people to chat to and that everyone avoids because they have actual work to do :)
- mooxie 2y agoI love (read: hate) the concept that people are inherently busier in an office. When I was full-time in office, lots of people spent a good portion of their day wandering about, having convos (one thing that I do miss), browsing snacks, playing ping-pong, browsing snacks again, going out to long lunches, etc. I 100% spend more time in front of a screen when wfh, and when I do step away it's to get other "life" things done instead of killing time in-office until the clock hits 5PM. I am also far more likely to work early or late, as I no longer feel that I have to clearly delineate my time between work and home. This is definitely an issue with lots of subjective and anecdotal evidence on all sides, but I know for a fact that a lot of my coworkers were killing 3-4h/day in the office just doing...whatever.
- theamk 2y ago> Nothing was effectively remote when the company started operations > It’s also unknown how many of Nothing’s 450 employees live close to the office. Many professional workers bought homes outside London during the pandemic. Wow, harsh. I hope they pay well enough to compensate for that crazy policy.
- guywithahat 2y agoDo you mean you hope Nothing compensates the employees being let go for houses they bought? If so, that’s not how any job has ever worked; they don’t pay for your house if you get let go
- wkat4242 2y agoWell in a way yes. In most countries in Europe you're entitled to a significant lump sum when let go unless it's your fault e.g. negligence. Based on years worked.
- artiscode 2y agoThe significant lump sump is often expressed in months of salary per years worked, which is not that much, compared to how much a house costs.
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- wkat4242 2y agoWell if one has worked there for 10 years or so, a year's salary in one go certainly helps a lot with a downpayment on a house! Where I live in Spain we have to downpay 30% and a mortgage would generally be granted to about 3x the annual salary. So to get a third of that would be quite significant.
- Yeul 2y agoIt's actually worse if you moved to the middle of nowhere for your job. But if you live in a city there are plenty of employment opportunities. Its what enabled them to become economic hubs. The government in my country once tried to get companies to move to undeveloped regions. It was an unmitigated disaster. No homes, no infrastructure and if your employer goes bankrupt you're stuck in the boonies.
- kermatt 2y ago> allowing the company to do more with fewer resources The "Do more with less" thing is usually an indicator a company is on track to become Nothing.
- johntopia 2y agoCompletely disagree. There have been plenty of orgs achieving things looking somewhat impossible, and they're called startups.
- xingped 2y agoThe difference being startups start that way. The parent appears to be talking about established companies downsizing and expecting the remaining employees to shoulder extra work. The stock market may tend to temporarily love it, but more realistically it's usually an indicator of bad leadership or a downward turn or both for a company.
- srockets 2y ago"Do more with less" is an admission that the current costs aren't sustained by the income generated, and that the executives have no idea how to fix that. I wish that this simple truth would be mentioned more often, so less executives would make fools of themselves by saying such nonsense in public.
- mysterydip 2y agoReminds me of an old quote: We have done so much with so little for so long, that now we can do anything with nothing.
- wrs 2y ago> This is no different from pre-COVID. There was no hybrid or remote work pre-COVID? On what planet was that? I respect the desire to have an in-office company. He’s right, there’s nothing wrong with that. I have much less respect for hiring hundreds of people and then suddenly changing the rules, or for implying remote workers won’t “go the full mile” (whatever that is).
- jinushaun 2y agoPre-Covid, a quarter of my team was phoning in via zoom everyday. There was always someone that was sick, kid was sick, waiting for a plumber, didn’t want to deal with commute etc. There was always something. No one batted an eye. Post-Covid, people act like remote work is some strange new thing. Only thing that really brought people into the office was the free food. But I know that has been scaled back dramatically post Covid.
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- kcplate 2y agoCompanies have always picked the venue where their employees work. It’s really only in the last couple of years that certain employees have adopted the attitude that their company cannot tell them where to work for their company. You can certainly exercise your right to quit (at least in the US which is at will…even in Montana for the employees) At the start of my career nearly 4 decades ago, I worked for a company that was 10 mins from my home. A year in they moved the location to a building almost 50 mins away. They literally asked no one in the company if this was ok by them…they basically said “The office is here now” and expected you to show up there. Reality is for some it was probably closer, but for others like me it was a worse commute.
- eVeechu7 2y agoNo. For me, since 2010 at least, it's been a negotiation in practice, if not in the written contract terms.
- jesterson 2y agoTime to short Nothing. If company starts to be fussy about where it's employees do the job it means there are much more important issues lacking attention.
- flappyeagle 2y agoMy guy you have never shorted a company in your life
- jesterson 2y agoI don't think you know what are you talking about, but I'll leave you at that.
- bunbun69 2y agoDidn't know they were a public company
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- Justsignedup 2y agoLayoffs incoming...
- flappyeagle 2y agoGood for them. Their culture was never designed for remote work, it’s better in the long run they close the cognitive dissonance
- billmaya 2y ago[flagged]