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>>>"The law was drafted in part by a British Baroness and Hollywood movie director who fell deep for the moral panic that the internet and mobile phones are obv

>>>"The law was drafted in part by a British Baroness and Hollywood movie director who fell deep for the moral panic that the internet and mobile phones are obviously evil for kids." While I agree the law should be stricken on first amendment grounds, this sentence, inasmuch as it implies anything factual about social media, is false and dumb. The evidence that social media is bad for kids especially girls is overwhelming. https://www.humanetech.com/podcast/jonathan-haidt-on-how-to-solve-the-teen-mental-health-crisis https://www.humanetech.com/podcast/jonathan-haidt-on-how-to-...

nl 2y ago
> The evidence that social media is bad for kids especially girls is overwhelming. Not so! It's bad for some kids but incredibly positive for others. > The ability to form and maintain friendships online and develop social connections are among the positive effects of social media use for youth... Seven out of ten adolescent girls of color report encountering positive or identity-affirming content related to race across social media platforms... A majority of adolescents report that social media helps them feel more accepted (58%), like they have people who can support them through tough times (67%), like they have a place to show their creative side (71%), and more connected to what’s going on in their friends’ lives (80%). "Social Media Has Both Positive and Negative Impacts on Children and Adolescents" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK594763/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK594763/ > When asked about the overall impact of social media on them personally, more teens say its effect has been mostly positive (32%) than say it has been mostly negative (9%). The largest share describes its impact in neutral terms: 59% believe social media has had neither a positive nor a negative effect on them. https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2022/11/16/connection-creativity-and-drama-teen-life-on-social-media-in-2022/ https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2022/11/16/connection-c...
- Cupertino95014 2y ago
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  - nl 2y ago
    This is such an odd take! The NCBI link is an article put out by the The U.S. Surgeon General (that same one who warns about the tobacco industry you mention)! It's a well balanced take that shows both sides. It's true that coverage of this issue is overwhelmingly about the risks. But the evidence itself is much more nuanced.
    - Cupertino95014 2y ago
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      - pfdietz 2y ago
        So, find another study. The score so far is They: 1, You: 0.
        Cupertino95014 2y ago
        wrong. It's common knowledge that social networks are harmful to teens. You're the one with work to do. I don't have to match a pro-tobacco post with a billion medical studies. When you contradict established fact, you're the person who has to prove it.
        pfdietz 2y ago
        I didn't think you had any evidence. All sorts of common knowledge has been utter BS. This sort of moral panic stuff is a class of canonical examples.
        Cupertino95014 2y ago
        Why don't you read up on the responses to your "study", and tell us what they said? You don't get to make other people do research for you, so I'm not going to do that.
walr000s 2y ago
Got any "overwhelming" evidence that isn't a podcast? I'm sure social media ain't great for anyone. It's mostly an incomprehensibly large amount of malignant noise...but pretending that justifies some kind of heavy handed government censorship is...well, I guess I'm on social media so when in Rome...overwhelmingly stupid
- leafmeal 2y ago
  This is the main focus of Jon Haidt's research right now. Plenty of resources on his site dedicated to it here: https://www.afterbabel.com/ https://www.afterbabel.com/
  - mintplant 2y ago
    The "Coddling of the American Mind" guy? Pass. I was in college during the period he wrote about, and my impression is that he agglomerates mountains of misrepresented evidence to work the older generations into another panic about kids these days.
    - IncreasePosts 2y ago
      Do you have any support that he misrepresents mountains of evidence? Did you dig into the mountain and find a bunch of places where he misrepresented data? Or did you just go with your gut? When I hear statements like this, I usually take it to mean "I don't like the conclusions he is drawing with the evidence"
      - EMIRELADERO 2y ago
        Here's the guy who wrote this thread's article talking about it: https://www.techdirt.com/2024/04/22/jonathan-haidts-book-the-anxious-generation-is-coddling-the-american-parent-giving-them-clear-simple-wrong-explanations-for-whats-ailing-teens/ https://www.techdirt.com/2024/04/22/jonathan-haidts-book-the...
      - mintplant 2y ago
        In addition to what 'EMIRELADERO linked - like I said, I lived through the exact period in the American university system that Haidt reported on, and his descriptions don't match my first-hand experiences nor do they match the experiences of my peers. As a result, I do not consider him a trustworthy source. I'm not going with my gut, I'm going with my eyes and ears.
SpaghettiCthulu 2y ago
Parents are failing kids. Not the government. Not big tech companies.
- Aeolun 2y ago
  Nah, this isn’t something you can fight as an individual parent. Not unless you want to be seen as a tyrant anyway. You might be able to pull it off in specific environment, but I’m not convinced the benefits of such an individual mandate outweigh the negatives (or rather, there are better alternatives).
  - ipaddr 2y ago
    Why is it important to be seen as not a tyrant? Past generations prioritized discipline over being liked and ultimately received more respect.
    - Aeolun 2y ago
      Exactly, everyone in those generations was a tyrant. Therefore nobody was. It’s not about the thing itself, it’s about how it compares. My point is that kids need to be able to play together, regardless of what ‘play’ means in this generation. If I make mine unable to play/communicate with his peers abot any topic relevant to them, I’m essentially deliberately isolating him.
lightedman 2y ago
"The law was drafted in part by a British Baroness" Non-citizens should have zero business writing laws that affect actual citizens.
coolhand2120 2y ago
People living outside of California interfering in California law, politics, or elelections is noteworthy.

nl 2y ago

> The evidence that social media is bad for kids especially girls is overwhelming. Not so! It's bad for some kids but incredibly positive for others. > The ability to form and maintain friendships online and develop social connections are among the positive effects of social media use for youth... Seven out of ten adolescent girls of color report encountering positive or identity-affirming content related to race across social media platforms... A majority of adolescents report that social media helps them feel more accepted (58%), like they have people who can support them through tough times (67%), like they have a place to show their creative side (71%), and more connected to what’s going on in their friends’ lives (80%). "Social Media Has Both Positive and Negative Impacts on Children and Adolescents" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK594763/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK594763/ > When asked about the overall impact of social media on them personally, more teens say its effect has been mostly positive (32%) than say it has been mostly negative (9%). The largest share describes its impact in neutral terms: 59% believe social media has had neither a positive nor a negative effect on them. https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2022/11/16/connection-creativity-and-drama-teen-life-on-social-media-in-2022/ https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2022/11/16/connection-c...

Cupertino95014 2y ago
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- nl 2y ago
  This is such an odd take! The NCBI link is an article put out by the The U.S. Surgeon General (that same one who warns about the tobacco industry you mention)! It's a well balanced take that shows both sides. It's true that coverage of this issue is overwhelmingly about the risks. But the evidence itself is much more nuanced.
  - Cupertino95014 2y ago
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    - pfdietz 2y ago
      So, find another study. The score so far is They: 1, You: 0.
      - Cupertino95014 2y ago
        wrong. It's common knowledge that social networks are harmful to teens. You're the one with work to do. I don't have to match a pro-tobacco post with a billion medical studies. When you contradict established fact, you're the person who has to prove it.
        pfdietz 2y ago
        I didn't think you had any evidence. All sorts of common knowledge has been utter BS. This sort of moral panic stuff is a class of canonical examples.
        Cupertino95014 2y ago
        Why don't you read up on the responses to your "study", and tell us what they said? You don't get to make other people do research for you, so I'm not going to do that.

walr000s 2y ago

Got any "overwhelming" evidence that isn't a podcast? I'm sure social media ain't great for anyone. It's mostly an incomprehensibly large amount of malignant noise...but pretending that justifies some kind of heavy handed government censorship is...well, I guess I'm on social media so when in Rome...overwhelmingly stupid

leafmeal 2y ago
This is the main focus of Jon Haidt's research right now. Plenty of resources on his site dedicated to it here: https://www.afterbabel.com/ https://www.afterbabel.com/
- mintplant 2y ago
  The "Coddling of the American Mind" guy? Pass. I was in college during the period he wrote about, and my impression is that he agglomerates mountains of misrepresented evidence to work the older generations into another panic about kids these days.
  - IncreasePosts 2y ago
    Do you have any support that he misrepresents mountains of evidence? Did you dig into the mountain and find a bunch of places where he misrepresented data? Or did you just go with your gut? When I hear statements like this, I usually take it to mean "I don't like the conclusions he is drawing with the evidence"
    - EMIRELADERO 2y ago
      Here's the guy who wrote this thread's article talking about it: https://www.techdirt.com/2024/04/22/jonathan-haidts-book-the-anxious-generation-is-coddling-the-american-parent-giving-them-clear-simple-wrong-explanations-for-whats-ailing-teens/ https://www.techdirt.com/2024/04/22/jonathan-haidts-book-the...
    - mintplant 2y ago
      In addition to what 'EMIRELADERO linked - like I said, I lived through the exact period in the American university system that Haidt reported on, and his descriptions don't match my first-hand experiences nor do they match the experiences of my peers. As a result, I do not consider him a trustworthy source. I'm not going with my gut, I'm going with my eyes and ears.

SpaghettiCthulu 2y ago

Parents are failing kids. Not the government. Not big tech companies.

Aeolun 2y ago
Nah, this isn’t something you can fight as an individual parent. Not unless you want to be seen as a tyrant anyway. You might be able to pull it off in specific environment, but I’m not convinced the benefits of such an individual mandate outweigh the negatives (or rather, there are better alternatives).
- ipaddr 2y ago
  Why is it important to be seen as not a tyrant? Past generations prioritized discipline over being liked and ultimately received more respect.
  - Aeolun 2y ago
    Exactly, everyone in those generations was a tyrant. Therefore nobody was. It’s not about the thing itself, it’s about how it compares. My point is that kids need to be able to play together, regardless of what ‘play’ means in this generation. If I make mine unable to play/communicate with his peers abot any topic relevant to them, I’m essentially deliberately isolating him.

lightedman 2y ago

"The law was drafted in part by a British Baroness" Non-citizens should have zero business writing laws that affect actual citizens.

coolhand2120 2y ago

People living outside of California interfering in California law, politics, or elelections is noteworthy.