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Looking at the paper, page 564 [0] has the component graph. Looks like the key contributors are (in order of contribution): - Work-Related Activities (~35 minu

Looking at the paper, page 564 [0] has the component graph. Looks like the key contributors are (in order of contribution): - Work-Related Activities (~35 minutes more at home) - Sleeping - Assumed at Home (~25 minutes more at home) - Leisure - Not On Computer (~22 minutes more at home) What I find interesting, is the key differences in total time spent. There seems to be generally more time spent sleeping actually (~25 more minutes), and that time comes from a decrease in socializing (-~15 minutes), and transportation (commuting, -~20 minutes). Overall, less commuting and more sleep seems good, but a decrease in socialization is not great, a full 1 3/4 hours a week decrease. [0]: https://sociologicalscience.com/download/vol_11/august/SocSci_v11_553to578_updated.pdf https://sociologicalscience.com/download/vol_11/august/SocSc...

dawnerd 2y ago
How is fewer hours of socializing bad? Maybe if you're the kind of person that things you have to always be in a social setting but there's lots of us that just want alone time. If I could get even an hour less a day around anyone else that would be massive for my mental health.
- DiggyJohnson 2y ago
  Sure that's sometimes the case. But on the whole I would bet that the average American is more physically and emotionally isolated from their peers outside their immediate family or housemates than any other society in history. The analogy that came to mind was to image advising firefighters to avoid drowning the cat when they're trying to put out a house fire.
- acabajoe 2y ago
  Americans at least are statistically lonelier now than they were before and it has a measurable negative effect on health. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/why-americans-are-lonelier-and-its-effects-on-our-health https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/why-americans-are-lonelier...
- therealdrag0 2y ago
  There have been studies that found even inane socialization like ordering from a barista in person boosts happiness. Not everything we think we want is what our animal brain and body needs.
  - dawnerd 2y ago
    For some people sure. For others it’s anxiety inducing and mentally draining.
richardw 2y ago
I’m spending too much time at home. Getting a lot done but serendipitous meetings and network building is definitely impacted. Time with my daughter is way up, before and after school.
bunderbunder 2y ago
Further down they mention that a dominant factor here seems to be the shifting of many activities, including spending time with family and friends, to a home setting. This certainly reflects my experience. Nowadays watching a movie doesn't mean going to a movie theater; it means watching a movie at a friend's house. Similar for gaming &c. Lately I've seen a lot of lamenting the lack of third spaces, but I haven't personally felt too sad about this? When I was younger my friends and I would regularly meet for coffee and pie at a diner that was open late, or shoot darts at a cozy neighborhood bar. Nowadays those kinds of places seem to be all but gone. They've been replaced by Dining and Entertainment Concepts™ that cost too much to frequent with any regularity, and crank the music way too loud to permit real socialization. So we just get together to play Mario Kart instead.
- MattGaiser 2y ago
  Even if the cost were lower, home options have improved to make being at a location less worth it. The gap between 1980s movie viewing and a theatre and 2024 movie viewing and a theatre has narrowed tremendously. The selection at home is far superior to the movie theatre now. Food delivery options have expanded well beyond Chinese and pizza. Sports viewing captures a better view than most seats.
  - charlie0 2y ago
    Not to mention most people are going to shell out $$$ for a nice large TV. At that point, might as well spend a few extra $$ and buy a surround sound. Maybe it's just me, but a lot of theaters set their volumes to LOUD. I've found it better to just watch movies at home (save for that rare movie you HAVE to watch in theaters, like Mad Max) and spend the remaining $ on building out my HT.
    - bunderbunder 2y ago
      I was recently reflecting on how I love seeing live theater productions, but hate going to movie theaters to see movies. In principle it seems like they should be relatively comparable? LOUD was definitely one of the first things I thought of. I don't feel like I need to bring ear plugs to make watching a play comfortable. Intermissions are another. It's nice to have an opportunity to stand up and stretch my legs, maybe take a bathroom break, chat with my partner about the story so far, all without missing anything or bothering other people. I think, though, that concessions are the other big one. Stage theaters don't have sticky floors, they don't reek of popcorn, you don't have the person behind you chewing with their mouth open so loudly you can somehow hear it above the aforementioned exceptionally loud volume, etc.
beaglesss 2y ago
I saw a lot of friendships fracture over COVID. One side was considered grandma murderers and the other side authoritarian who wanted to violently smash down people's non-essential jobs with the state,etc. Was really hard to look at some people ever the same way again.

dawnerd 2y ago

How is fewer hours of socializing bad? Maybe if you're the kind of person that things you have to always be in a social setting but there's lots of us that just want alone time. If I could get even an hour less a day around anyone else that would be massive for my mental health.

DiggyJohnson 2y ago
Sure that's sometimes the case. But on the whole I would bet that the average American is more physically and emotionally isolated from their peers outside their immediate family or housemates than any other society in history. The analogy that came to mind was to image advising firefighters to avoid drowning the cat when they're trying to put out a house fire.
acabajoe 2y ago
Americans at least are statistically lonelier now than they were before and it has a measurable negative effect on health. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/why-americans-are-lonelier-and-its-effects-on-our-health https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/why-americans-are-lonelier...
therealdrag0 2y ago
There have been studies that found even inane socialization like ordering from a barista in person boosts happiness. Not everything we think we want is what our animal brain and body needs.
- dawnerd 2y ago
  For some people sure. For others it’s anxiety inducing and mentally draining.

richardw 2y ago

I’m spending too much time at home. Getting a lot done but serendipitous meetings and network building is definitely impacted. Time with my daughter is way up, before and after school.

bunderbunder 2y ago

Further down they mention that a dominant factor here seems to be the shifting of many activities, including spending time with family and friends, to a home setting. This certainly reflects my experience. Nowadays watching a movie doesn't mean going to a movie theater; it means watching a movie at a friend's house. Similar for gaming &c. Lately I've seen a lot of lamenting the lack of third spaces, but I haven't personally felt too sad about this? When I was younger my friends and I would regularly meet for coffee and pie at a diner that was open late, or shoot darts at a cozy neighborhood bar. Nowadays those kinds of places seem to be all but gone. They've been replaced by Dining and Entertainment Concepts™ that cost too much to frequent with any regularity, and crank the music way too loud to permit real socialization. So we just get together to play Mario Kart instead.

MattGaiser 2y ago
Even if the cost were lower, home options have improved to make being at a location less worth it. The gap between 1980s movie viewing and a theatre and 2024 movie viewing and a theatre has narrowed tremendously. The selection at home is far superior to the movie theatre now. Food delivery options have expanded well beyond Chinese and pizza. Sports viewing captures a better view than most seats.
- charlie0 2y ago
  Not to mention most people are going to shell out $$$ for a nice large TV. At that point, might as well spend a few extra $$ and buy a surround sound. Maybe it's just me, but a lot of theaters set their volumes to LOUD. I've found it better to just watch movies at home (save for that rare movie you HAVE to watch in theaters, like Mad Max) and spend the remaining $ on building out my HT.
  - bunderbunder 2y ago
    I was recently reflecting on how I love seeing live theater productions, but hate going to movie theaters to see movies. In principle it seems like they should be relatively comparable? LOUD was definitely one of the first things I thought of. I don't feel like I need to bring ear plugs to make watching a play comfortable. Intermissions are another. It's nice to have an opportunity to stand up and stretch my legs, maybe take a bathroom break, chat with my partner about the story so far, all without missing anything or bothering other people. I think, though, that concessions are the other big one. Stage theaters don't have sticky floors, they don't reek of popcorn, you don't have the person behind you chewing with their mouth open so loudly you can somehow hear it above the aforementioned exceptionally loud volume, etc.

beaglesss 2y ago

I saw a lot of friendships fracture over COVID. One side was considered grandma murderers and the other side authoritarian who wanted to violently smash down people's non-essential jobs with the state,etc. Was really hard to look at some people ever the same way again.