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The bizarre siege behind Stockholm Syndrome
- sebnun 2y agoNetflix made tv series about Clark Olofsson called "Clark" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDuKaZkWClA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDuKaZkWClA
- WilTimSon 2y agoGreat example of how not to name a show. I'd have at least a few other associations before clicking on it to see what it was actually about. Clark Kent? Clark and Gable? Wouldn't something that describes who Olofsson is be a better title? Or am I just being picky for no reason?
- ToValueFunfetti 2y agoI believe it's a cultural difference. It was a Swedish production and he's a lot more famous there. I can't say whether he'd be the first thing to come to mind when a Swedish person heard the name, but he'd be a lot higher on the list than in the US.
- saghm 2y agoI was gonna go with "Lewis and Clark" for my immediate association
- bjourne 2y agoThe guy is still alive and could perhaps sue for libel if they used his full name. An earlier Swedish movie about Olof Palme was probably libelous, but got away with it since his name was never used.
- BobaFloutist 2y agoSweden must have an exceptionally strange libel standard then, given that the series is explicitly about him: "This is the unbelievable story of Clark Olofsson, the controversial criminal who inspired the term "Stockholm syndrome." Based on his truths and lies.".
- ItCouldBeWorse 2y agoSweden, is .. a strange country. Yes, its liberal. But at the same time. Its part of the old world, as in the ancient world, that was before the WorldWars. It had eugenics until the 2000s.
- AEVL 2y agoWhat do you have in mind with “… until the 2000s”? According to Wikipedia: “ Compulsory sterilisation in Sweden were sterilisations which were carried out in Sweden, without a valid consent of the subject, during the years 1906–1975 on eugenic, medical and social grounds.” So the main sterilization program ended 1975. However: “Between 1972 and 2013, sterilisation was also a condition for gender reassignment surgery.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_sterilisation_in_Sweden https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_sterilisation_in_...
- memsom 2y agoI honestly wouldn't have assumed any of those. "Clarks" is a very famous shoe brand in the UK, and here, Clark is a surname. Ironically, Clark Gable's real name was "William Clark Gable" apparently. So, Clark was actually more likely a surname. I guess Clark Olofsson was also named after Clark Gable, as Clark is not a particularly Swedish name either.
- praptak 2y agoThe BBC article avoids taking sides where it shouldn't. Stockholm Syndrome is bullshit, not merely "controversial". https://www.stadafa.com/2020/12/stockholm-syndrome-discredit.html https://www.stadafa.com/2020/12/stockholm-syndrome-discredit... "The psychiatrist who invented it, Nils Bejerot, never spoke to the woman he based it on, never bothered to ask her why she trusted her captors more than the authorities. More to the point, during the Swedish bank heist that inspired the syndrome, Bejerot was the psychiatrist leading the police response. He was the authority that Kristin Enmark – the first woman diagnosed with Stockholm syndrome – distrusted." "On the radio, Enmark criticized the police, and singled out Bejerot. In response, and without once speaking to her, Bejerot dismissed her comments as the product of a syndrome he made up: ‘Norrmalmstorg syndrome’ (later renamed Stockholm syndrome). The fear Enmark felt towards the police was irrational, Bejerot explained, caused by the emotional or sexual attachment she had with her captors. Bejerot’s snap diagnosis suited the Swedish media; they were suspicious of Enmark, who ‘did not appear as traumatized as she ought to be.’ "
- interludead 2y agoThe origins of Stockholm Syndrome and its initial framing may be debated, its continued use in psychology suggests that it provides a useful framework for understanding certain psychological responses
- grecy 2y agoThe one where people distrust the authorities because they are handling a situation extremely poorly ?
- marcuskane2 2y agoThat's a very optimistic and charitable interpretation. It also might be that "its continued use in psychology suggests" that false information taught to university students can result in years of incorrect orthodoxy before the error is corrected.
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- interludead 2y ago"Madness is rare in individuals - but in groups, parties, nations, and ages, it is the rule." - Friedrich Nietzsche
- bloak 2y agoNice! In case anyone else is curious, the original German seems to be: Der Irrsinn ist bei Einzelnen etwas Seltenes,- aber bei Gruppen, Parteien, Völkern, Zeiten die Regel.
- mistermann 2y agoThe governance of affairs on this planet seems to me like a legitimate instance of this phenomenon... kind of like a wife who defends her husband even though he abuses her. It is indeed true that in almost all such cases there is an even more abusive husband out there, but that does not make the other abusive husbands good in an absolute sense. It is funny and interesting how differently people interpret abstract matters like this depending on what the object level topic is.
- dkarl 2y agoA key detail that sometimes gets lost in the complexity of the story is that Clark Olofsson, one of the two criminals that the hostages supposedly formed an irrational bond with, was in jail at the start of the siege and was sent into the situation by police with a promise of a reduction in his sentence if he helped the hostages survive. If the hostages were perceptive about his motives, and detected a genuine fear of harm coming to them, that could have influenced their feelings towards him. I think there's likely a lot of truth in the idea of Stockholm Syndrome, but this story seems too complicated to be convincing evidence for it.
- complaintdept 2y agoFunny bit of trivia, Patty Hearst went on to be in several of John Waters' movies.
- ElijahLynn 2y agoInitial speaker 100% sounds like Coach Steve from the Netflix show Big Mouth.