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> sensors that detect when the baby is crying and simulates the sounds of the womb to help keep babies I realize this may come off as a bit insensitive but isn

> sensors that detect when the baby is crying and simulates the sounds of the womb to help keep babies I realize this may come off as a bit insensitive but isn't this taking away a chance to bond with your child? Children not being physically held enough at young age has lifelong implications

Flop7331 2y ago
Do you feel that way about shushing?
dap 2y ago
> I realize this may come off as a bit insensitive but isn't this taking away a chance to bond with your child? Having a Snoo doesn’t mean you never hold your child. Newborns provide many such opportunities. You don’t need to take them all. See the comment above about a newborn that needed this for 6 hours a night for months. > Children not being physically held enough at young age has lifelong implications Citation needed? This is the sort of thing that people use to argue against sleep training, too, but I don’t believe much evidence has been found for that.
- grvbck 2y ago
  > Citation needed? This is the sort of thing that people use to argue against sleep training, too, but I don’t believe much evidence has been found for that. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4088358/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4088358/ https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.0504767102 https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.0504767102 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7502223/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7502223/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9599775/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9599775/ https://doi.org/10.4324/9780203758045 https://doi.org/10.4324/9780203758045 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8250458/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8250458/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33924970/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33924970/ https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-662-67860-2_7 https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-662-67860-2_... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14984130/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14984130/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/infant-touch/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/infant-touch/
  - dap 2y ago
    Indeed, I didn’t mean to imply that “if the offspring is completely deprived of adequate touch or if the infant or toddler experiences only violent or painful touch stimuli” (to quote one of those) then things would be fine. Honestly, maybe I’m generalizing unfairly, but I’d be surprised if that outcome was likely from the parents that buy a Snoo. Maybe it’s a fair thing to warn buyers about. But sleep deprivation among parents presents massive risks both short term and long.
    - grvbck 2y ago
      Sorry – I didn't mean to imply that using a Snoo is bad! Many cultures have used different forms of rocking cribs for ages, I'm sure it's absolutely fine if used with a bit of discretion. Contact deprivation in infants is a thing though.
dhon_ 2y ago
Humans are complex. It depends greatly on the situation.
doe_eyes 2y ago
Some infants cry a lot. Not every instance is a magical bonding opportunity, especially since you still need to get stuff done. There are high-tech child-rearing trends that I suspect might be doing harm, but a rocking bassinet probably isn't one.
- pfisherman 2y ago
  Which high tech child rearing trends do you think are harmful? Just curious.
  - doe_eyes 2y ago
    On the cutting edge: I've seen techies using ChatGPT to make up and read bedtime stories to toddlers, or to tutor them during the day, so that the parent can stay focused on their career. I don't know that it's harmful, but it seems messed up. I wonder if a kid raised this way will end up tripping LLM text detectors for life... The lower-tech equivalent of this is a toddler being raised by a tablet or a smartphone. Not necessarily because the content is harmful, but because it's neglect - just like leaving a kid in front of a TV back in my day.
    - pfisherman 2y ago
      Eh, I used chat-gpt to make up a story (with elements specified by the little). Was quite good for keeping them entertained in the car for the 10 mins mommy was in the store picking up a prescription. Bedtime stories seems unnecessary. Like there is no shortage of good books out there. Plus, I would feel a sense of loss if I didn’t get to do pirate voices when reading treasure island. Tutoring … lol. Those kids must be better behaved than mine if they can be trusted to do that sort of thing autonomously.
etrautmann 2y ago
No, this does not take the place of physical interaction. You’ll get a ton of that too. Rocking your baby to sleep isn’t a great plan anyway.
ilickpoolalgae 2y ago
Maybe, but the extra few hours we got of sleep each night meant the quality of interaction/bonding during our awake hours was higher.
er4hn 2y ago
The first 3 months after my daughter was born I slept next to her while she was in this. If she was hungry or needed a change she'd let me know. This helped her sleep and helped the rest of us get some rest as well.

Flop7331 2y ago

Do you feel that way about shushing?

dap 2y ago

> I realize this may come off as a bit insensitive but isn't this taking away a chance to bond with your child? Having a Snoo doesn’t mean you never hold your child. Newborns provide many such opportunities. You don’t need to take them all. See the comment above about a newborn that needed this for 6 hours a night for months. > Children not being physically held enough at young age has lifelong implications Citation needed? This is the sort of thing that people use to argue against sleep training, too, but I don’t believe much evidence has been found for that.

grvbck 2y ago
> Citation needed? This is the sort of thing that people use to argue against sleep training, too, but I don’t believe much evidence has been found for that. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4088358/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4088358/ https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.0504767102 https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.0504767102 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7502223/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7502223/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9599775/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9599775/ https://doi.org/10.4324/9780203758045 https://doi.org/10.4324/9780203758045 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8250458/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8250458/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33924970/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33924970/ https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-662-67860-2_7 https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-662-67860-2_... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14984130/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14984130/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/infant-touch/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/infant-touch/
- dap 2y ago
  Indeed, I didn’t mean to imply that “if the offspring is completely deprived of adequate touch or if the infant or toddler experiences only violent or painful touch stimuli” (to quote one of those) then things would be fine. Honestly, maybe I’m generalizing unfairly, but I’d be surprised if that outcome was likely from the parents that buy a Snoo. Maybe it’s a fair thing to warn buyers about. But sleep deprivation among parents presents massive risks both short term and long.
  - grvbck 2y ago
    Sorry – I didn't mean to imply that using a Snoo is bad! Many cultures have used different forms of rocking cribs for ages, I'm sure it's absolutely fine if used with a bit of discretion. Contact deprivation in infants is a thing though.

dhon_ 2y ago

Humans are complex. It depends greatly on the situation.

doe_eyes 2y ago

Some infants cry a lot. Not every instance is a magical bonding opportunity, especially since you still need to get stuff done. There are high-tech child-rearing trends that I suspect might be doing harm, but a rocking bassinet probably isn't one.

pfisherman 2y ago
Which high tech child rearing trends do you think are harmful? Just curious.
- doe_eyes 2y ago
  On the cutting edge: I've seen techies using ChatGPT to make up and read bedtime stories to toddlers, or to tutor them during the day, so that the parent can stay focused on their career. I don't know that it's harmful, but it seems messed up. I wonder if a kid raised this way will end up tripping LLM text detectors for life... The lower-tech equivalent of this is a toddler being raised by a tablet or a smartphone. Not necessarily because the content is harmful, but because it's neglect - just like leaving a kid in front of a TV back in my day.
  - pfisherman 2y ago
    Eh, I used chat-gpt to make up a story (with elements specified by the little). Was quite good for keeping them entertained in the car for the 10 mins mommy was in the store picking up a prescription. Bedtime stories seems unnecessary. Like there is no shortage of good books out there. Plus, I would feel a sense of loss if I didn’t get to do pirate voices when reading treasure island. Tutoring … lol. Those kids must be better behaved than mine if they can be trusted to do that sort of thing autonomously.

etrautmann 2y ago

No, this does not take the place of physical interaction. You’ll get a ton of that too. Rocking your baby to sleep isn’t a great plan anyway.

ilickpoolalgae 2y ago

Maybe, but the extra few hours we got of sleep each night meant the quality of interaction/bonding during our awake hours was higher.

er4hn 2y ago

The first 3 months after my daughter was born I slept next to her while she was in this. If she was hungry or needed a change she'd let me know. This helped her sleep and helped the rest of us get some rest as well.