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FUTO

182 points by josephscott 2y ago

uneekname 2y ago
I'm particularly excited about FUTO funding Immich [0], a photo management app similar to Google Photos. The money allowed the FUTO devs to go full-time [1] [0] https://immich.app/ https://immich.app/ [1] https://immich.app/blog/2024/immich-core-team-goes-fulltime/ https://immich.app/blog/2024/immich-core-team-goes-fulltime/
- malensek 2y ago
  Yes, immich is incredible! I have my entire family's photos (not all technical users mind you) synced and backed up thanks to immich server and its phone app. The web UI is easy, fast and they've even started adding basic editing capabilities recently. I see a decent amount of skepticism and negativity in this thread, but I'm glad to see that someone is funding projects like this.
  - ilrwbwrkhv 2y ago
    Not to mention it consistently works faster and smoother for me compared to Google Photos on my different devices especially the older ones.
kelnos 2y ago
> From its founding, FUTO has been funded entirely by investment from its sole owner, Eron Wolf. This sort of thing concerns me. So if Wolf has a change of heart, suffers some sort of financial catastrophe, etc., then... the project just dies, and any project depending on them for a significant portion of their funding has a crisis? > a few talented engineers can produce delightful software that rivals anything big, established firms can produce. Sort of, but... not really? In my experience, more resources means more polish and more scale. It's the usual 80/20 problem: with a small team you can get to 80%, but the last 20% bogs you down forever. Certainly large teams come with their own problems, but that last 20% is hard. In general, though, I love the idea of this. One thing I really want to try out is the FUTO keyboard: I currently use the stock GBoard on my Pixel, but would prefer something that just doesn't connect to the internet at all. I'm curious to know how well their swipe-based keyboard works (GBoard has become so hit-or-miss lately with that), as well as their voice recognition (Google's is of course famously good, but I don't love the privacy implications of sending all the things I might say to my phone to Google's servers). Still, though, privacy-wise: why should I trust this guy? I like what he says on the website, but I've never heard of him, and don't really know anything about him.
- caboteria 2y ago
  > One thing I really want to try out is the FUTO keyboard I've been using it for a few weeks and it works well. It seems to require some learning period because it started out making unhelpful suggestions for the predictive typing but is now pretty good.
  - kelnos 2y ago
    Yeah, I tried out the swiping and it was pretty bad to start. But GBoard has had a lot of time to learn from me, so I'll give it a chance.
- petesergeant 2y ago
  Are we calling this the Elon problem yet?
  - cvwright 2y ago
    Clearly it's the E[l|r]on problem now
- hcarvalhoalves 2y ago
  > Sort of, but... not really? In my experience, more resources means more polish and more scale. It's the usual 80/20 problem: with a small team you can get to 80%, but the last 20% bogs you down forever. Certainly large teams come with their own problems, but that last 20% is hard. Consider this: AAPL is valued at 3.4 trillion USD. Both the polish and breadth of their software took a nose dive compared to early 2000s. There’s no more Aperture, Logic, Final Cut, Shake…
  - aw1621107 2y ago
    I think it's GP probably intended something like "more resources spent". That aside, valuation doesn't seem like a meaningful metric in this context. It doesn't tell you how many resources are being spent on a given thing and it's not necessarily obvious whether that given thing is connected to the value either.
Y_Y 2y ago
"Add Polycentric to your home screen to continue" No thanks
- alexchamberlain 2y ago
  I don't mind adding things to my home screen, but I want to try it first.
josephcsible 2y ago
I love a lot of what FUTO does; I just wish they weren't such big fans of fauxpen source licenses.
- MrOwen 2y ago
  While I don't disagree, what's the solution in today's world? Seems they're doing the best with the existing legal framework we have here, for better or worse. But immich was kept agpl and no cla which is a good thing.
  - josephcsible 2y ago
    > But immich was kept agpl and no cla which is a good thing. That's exactly the right thing to do and is what they should do for everything.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago
  What were you hoping to do with the code that the license prevents you from doing? Their license lets you do anything you want except rip them off.
  - josephcsible 2y ago
    How about putting it in something that you want to get packaged in Debian or Fedora?
    - 2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago
      https://futo.org/open-source-definition/ https://futo.org/open-source-definition/ Where is that not allowed?
      - josephcsible 2y ago
        Debian and Fedora both only allow FOSS in their repositories.
mrbluecoat 2y ago
I love the sixth of their "Five Pillars of FUTOey Software": > 0. Don’t Suck This applies to all software, FUTOey or not. We have accomplished nothing if our software is sluggish, unreliable, or lacks key features. Our clients need to be delightful. Our servers need to help our clients be delightful. https://futo.org/about/what-is-futo/ https://futo.org/about/what-is-futo/
- cwillu 2y ago
  And then I click through the polycentric sign-up flow, and it breaks after 3 steps, and has very page-like things for which the back button doesn't function, but it's okay, they provide their own back button in a non-standard location that disappears if you resize the window.
  - futo_hn 2y ago
    Check back in a few weeks we are currently rewriting the entire sign-in/sign up flow.
arktos_ 2y ago
I particularly appreciate their funding of the Ladybird browser. Can't wait to see it in action in the future
rustcleaner 2y ago
Louis Rossmann is a hero.
- ilrwbwrkhv 2y ago
  He indeed is. And it is sad there are so few people like him. We definitely need more people like him who are fighting the good fight.
ChrisArchitect 2y ago
Recent discussion on the Keyboard: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40831489 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40831489
nisegami 2y ago
I've switched from SwiftKey to the FUTO keyboard and it's worked well enough that I haven't switched back. After many, many years on SwiftKey that's a huge accomplishment. There's some more advanced features I miss and one broad issue I have with the autocorrection feature, but overall it's quite usable.
factorialboy 2y ago
Is it possible to create an open source keyboard for iOS?
heckelson 2y ago
The feature I'm still missing is having 2 dictionaries active at the same time. I text a lot in both English and German and this not being available prevents me from making the switch
coupdejarnac 2y ago
I paid for the futo keyboard, and it has been mostly fine so far. My only gripe is that there isn't a chinese input method yet.
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182 points by josephscott 2y ago

I'm particularly excited about FUTO funding Immich [0], a photo management app similar to Google Photos. The money allowed the FUTO devs to go full-time [1] [0] https://immich.app/ https://immich.app/ [1] https://immich.app/blog/2024/immich-core-team-goes-fulltime/ https://immich.app/blog/2024/immich-core-team-goes-fulltime/

malensek 2y ago
Yes, immich is incredible! I have my entire family's photos (not all technical users mind you) synced and backed up thanks to immich server and its phone app. The web UI is easy, fast and they've even started adding basic editing capabilities recently. I see a decent amount of skepticism and negativity in this thread, but I'm glad to see that someone is funding projects like this.
- ilrwbwrkhv 2y ago
  Not to mention it consistently works faster and smoother for me compared to Google Photos on my different devices especially the older ones.

kelnos 2y ago

> From its founding, FUTO has been funded entirely by investment from its sole owner, Eron Wolf. This sort of thing concerns me. So if Wolf has a change of heart, suffers some sort of financial catastrophe, etc., then... the project just dies, and any project depending on them for a significant portion of their funding has a crisis? > a few talented engineers can produce delightful software that rivals anything big, established firms can produce. Sort of, but... not really? In my experience, more resources means more polish and more scale. It's the usual 80/20 problem: with a small team you can get to 80%, but the last 20% bogs you down forever. Certainly large teams come with their own problems, but that last 20% is hard. In general, though, I love the idea of this. One thing I really want to try out is the FUTO keyboard: I currently use the stock GBoard on my Pixel, but would prefer something that just doesn't connect to the internet at all. I'm curious to know how well their swipe-based keyboard works (GBoard has become so hit-or-miss lately with that), as well as their voice recognition (Google's is of course famously good, but I don't love the privacy implications of sending all the things I might say to my phone to Google's servers). Still, though, privacy-wise: why should I trust this guy? I like what he says on the website, but I've never heard of him, and don't really know anything about him.

caboteria 2y ago
> One thing I really want to try out is the FUTO keyboard I've been using it for a few weeks and it works well. It seems to require some learning period because it started out making unhelpful suggestions for the predictive typing but is now pretty good.
- kelnos 2y ago
  Yeah, I tried out the swiping and it was pretty bad to start. But GBoard has had a lot of time to learn from me, so I'll give it a chance.
petesergeant 2y ago
Are we calling this the Elon problem yet?
- cvwright 2y ago
  Clearly it's the E[l|r]on problem now
hcarvalhoalves 2y ago
> Sort of, but... not really? In my experience, more resources means more polish and more scale. It's the usual 80/20 problem: with a small team you can get to 80%, but the last 20% bogs you down forever. Certainly large teams come with their own problems, but that last 20% is hard. Consider this: AAPL is valued at 3.4 trillion USD. Both the polish and breadth of their software took a nose dive compared to early 2000s. There’s no more Aperture, Logic, Final Cut, Shake…
- aw1621107 2y ago
  I think it's GP probably intended something like "more resources spent". That aside, valuation doesn't seem like a meaningful metric in this context. It doesn't tell you how many resources are being spent on a given thing and it's not necessarily obvious whether that given thing is connected to the value either.

Y_Y 2y ago

"Add Polycentric to your home screen to continue" No thanks

alexchamberlain 2y ago
I don't mind adding things to my home screen, but I want to try it first.

josephcsible 2y ago

I love a lot of what FUTO does; I just wish they weren't such big fans of fauxpen source licenses.

MrOwen 2y ago
While I don't disagree, what's the solution in today's world? Seems they're doing the best with the existing legal framework we have here, for better or worse. But immich was kept agpl and no cla which is a good thing.
- josephcsible 2y ago
  > But immich was kept agpl and no cla which is a good thing. That's exactly the right thing to do and is what they should do for everything.
2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago
What were you hoping to do with the code that the license prevents you from doing? Their license lets you do anything you want except rip them off.
- josephcsible 2y ago
  How about putting it in something that you want to get packaged in Debian or Fedora?
  - 2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago
    https://futo.org/open-source-definition/ https://futo.org/open-source-definition/ Where is that not allowed?
    - josephcsible 2y ago
      Debian and Fedora both only allow FOSS in their repositories.

mrbluecoat 2y ago

I love the sixth of their "Five Pillars of FUTOey Software": > 0. Don’t Suck This applies to all software, FUTOey or not. We have accomplished nothing if our software is sluggish, unreliable, or lacks key features. Our clients need to be delightful. Our servers need to help our clients be delightful. https://futo.org/about/what-is-futo/ https://futo.org/about/what-is-futo/

cwillu 2y ago
And then I click through the polycentric sign-up flow, and it breaks after 3 steps, and has very page-like things for which the back button doesn't function, but it's okay, they provide their own back button in a non-standard location that disappears if you resize the window.
- futo_hn 2y ago
  Check back in a few weeks we are currently rewriting the entire sign-in/sign up flow.

arktos_ 2y ago

I particularly appreciate their funding of the Ladybird browser. Can't wait to see it in action in the future

rustcleaner 2y ago

Louis Rossmann is a hero.

ilrwbwrkhv 2y ago
He indeed is. And it is sad there are so few people like him. We definitely need more people like him who are fighting the good fight.

ChrisArchitect 2y ago

Recent discussion on the Keyboard: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40831489 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40831489

nisegami 2y ago

I've switched from SwiftKey to the FUTO keyboard and it's worked well enough that I haven't switched back. After many, many years on SwiftKey that's a huge accomplishment. There's some more advanced features I miss and one broad issue I have with the autocorrection feature, but overall it's quite usable.

factorialboy 2y ago

Is it possible to create an open source keyboard for iOS?

heckelson 2y ago

The feature I'm still missing is having 2 dictionaries active at the same time. I text a lot in both English and German and this not being available prevents me from making the switch

coupdejarnac 2y ago

I paid for the futo keyboard, and it has been mostly fine so far. My only gripe is that there isn't a chinese input method yet.

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