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Great news for Europeans! If only the US actually cared about their citizens.

by bluetidepro 2y ago

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toomuchtodo 2y ago
Europe can keep doing its regulatory thing while the US works to improve. At least someone is doing something.
- cqqxo4zV46cp 2y ago
  What does “works to improve” mean. It’s like you wanted to shoehorn the US in here.
  - toomuchtodo 2y ago
    To those of us in the US, it is relevant that we have to rely on Europe’s regulatory actions when the US government fails to regulate. Send help.
- ginko 2y ago
  I assume you mean the one doing something is the EU, right?
- ath3nd 2y ago
  The only thing the US improves in is: - people dying earlier than their European counterparts - the price of insulin and healthcare in general is hundreds of times bigger than in other countries - people being less free than anywhere in Europe: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/freedom-index-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/freedom-i... - school shootings numbers rising each year It feels that the US is "improving" in the wrong direction.
  - refurb 2y ago
    Is it just me or are there more low effort posts like this that seems to do nothing but try and cause a flame war? As the rules says “ Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. That tramples curiosity.”
    - Gud 2y ago
      Yes, the quality of comments on HN have gone down considerably over the years.
      - ath3nd 2y ago
        Yes, but a comment like: > Europe can keep doing its regulatory thing while the US works to improve. At least someone is doing something. is perfectly fine. On the other hand, somebody questioning what's actually improving in the US is a low quality comment because "it's politics". The US has regressed down in every possible human development index in the last 2 decades, from happiness and freedoms, to longevity, inequality and societal division. Here are some receipts: - Freedom index https://sites.uci.edu/energyobserver/2020/01/15/the-united-states-and-world-in-the-freedom-in-the-world-2019-ratings/ https://sites.uci.edu/energyobserver/2020/01/15/the-united-s... - Longevity https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/03/25/1164819944/live-free-and-die-the-sad-state-of-u-s-life-expectancy https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/03/25/1164819... - Inequality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_the_Unite... (inequality, by the way, is inversely correlated to strength of labor unions) - Medical costs https://www.statista.com/chart/8658/health-spending-per-capita/ https://www.statista.com/chart/8658/health-spending-per-capi... Since when are statistics and facts considered low quality posts and "politics"? My point is that the low amount of regulation in the US is part of the reasons why US consumers are taking a hit, whether it's monopolistic app stores that can crank prices, exorbitant medical costs, plummeting living standards and rampant inequality, and crashing longevity and happiness.
        toomuchtodo 2y ago
glzone1 2y ago
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- cqqxo4zV46cp 2y ago
  You … could have both things. You could have real consumer protections, so people like you don’t conflate competition with an absolute free-for-all. Plenty of other jurisdictions do it.
- Novosell 2y ago
  Do you have data to back up that android users get scammed more? Because that seems to be the implication here.
  - Ductapemaster 2y ago
    They specifically called out "We get to see how businesses operate under the US government policies when they act on the web" — it's not a specific dig on Android.
    - Novosell 2y ago
      Then they go on to say that the way Apple operates iPhone leads to less scams and there is really only one other phone OS. But their comment is dead now, so I'm not the only one who found it silly.
  - glzone1 2y ago
    My point is that I as no expert in fraud can in about 5-10 minutes find many examples of clear fraud online that nothing is being done about. If anything, ONLY buying through the Apple App store would probably result in a safer buying experience for most folks with MORE protections not less. One of the value propositions to consumers is that Apple has enough power to push back against big corps. Ask to Track was a push (originally apple was going to ban totally but in "fairness" let businesses track) to let users decide if they wanted to be tracked. If they said no full features of the app had to remain available. Compare even that to the pointless privacy notices they send in the mail saying you can send a letter to some address to ask them not to track you and sell you data? I worked in an elder care adjacent setting - financial fraud is wild against the elderly. It's getting sophisticated. A nice robot voice calls, your account at XXX has been compromised or accessed from Russia, if this was not you you please enter the 6 digit code we've sent to confirm. That six digit code is the 2FA for your real account, which is then drained.
monero-xmr 2y ago
EU can focus on making more regulations, while US focuses on building new businesses. Then the new businesses will adapt to the regulations, while Europe has no businesses that need to be regulated.
- cqqxo4zV46cp 2y ago
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- sschueller 2y ago
  Have you ever been to Europe?
  - monero-xmr 2y ago
    Yes, but has Europe created a Google, Amazon, Netflix, Microsoft, or Facebook sized tech business in the last 30 years?
    - givinguflac 2y ago
      Spotify would probably qualify, fyi.
      - monero-xmr 2y ago
        A large business, but if this is the best Europe can offer, certainly a short king in comparison.
        archagon 2y ago
        What is Google’s business these days? What about Facebook’s? The core products that put them on the map have been degenerating for the past decade, and the only exciting things coming out of these companies have been the result of acquisitions.
    - ath3nd 2y ago
      For all your big tech, you seem to be dying younger than us, and unhappier, and less free: 1. Freedom: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/freedom-index-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/freedom-i... 2. Longevity: https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/ https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/ 3. Happiness https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/happiest-countries-in-the-world https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/happiest-... One thing you are a winner in is school shootings: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/school-shootings-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/school-sh... I am happy that the lack of regulation + the ability to exploit your workers creates massive companies. Not sure if it's good for your society, but you do you, America.

Great news for Europeans! If only the US actually cared about their citizens.

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toomuchtodo 2y ago

Europe can keep doing its regulatory thing while the US works to improve. At least someone is doing something.

cqqxo4zV46cp 2y ago
What does “works to improve” mean. It’s like you wanted to shoehorn the US in here.
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  To those of us in the US, it is relevant that we have to rely on Europe’s regulatory actions when the US government fails to regulate. Send help.
ginko 2y ago
I assume you mean the one doing something is the EU, right?
ath3nd 2y ago
The only thing the US improves in is: - people dying earlier than their European counterparts - the price of insulin and healthcare in general is hundreds of times bigger than in other countries - people being less free than anywhere in Europe: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/freedom-index-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/freedom-i... - school shootings numbers rising each year It feels that the US is "improving" in the wrong direction.
- refurb 2y ago
  Is it just me or are there more low effort posts like this that seems to do nothing but try and cause a flame war? As the rules says “ Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. That tramples curiosity.”
  - Gud 2y ago
    Yes, the quality of comments on HN have gone down considerably over the years.
    - ath3nd 2y ago
      Yes, but a comment like: > Europe can keep doing its regulatory thing while the US works to improve. At least someone is doing something. is perfectly fine. On the other hand, somebody questioning what's actually improving in the US is a low quality comment because "it's politics". The US has regressed down in every possible human development index in the last 2 decades, from happiness and freedoms, to longevity, inequality and societal division. Here are some receipts: - Freedom index https://sites.uci.edu/energyobserver/2020/01/15/the-united-states-and-world-in-the-freedom-in-the-world-2019-ratings/ https://sites.uci.edu/energyobserver/2020/01/15/the-united-s... - Longevity https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/03/25/1164819944/live-free-and-die-the-sad-state-of-u-s-life-expectancy https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/03/25/1164819... - Inequality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_the_Unite... (inequality, by the way, is inversely correlated to strength of labor unions) - Medical costs https://www.statista.com/chart/8658/health-spending-per-capita/ https://www.statista.com/chart/8658/health-spending-per-capi... Since when are statistics and facts considered low quality posts and "politics"? My point is that the low amount of regulation in the US is part of the reasons why US consumers are taking a hit, whether it's monopolistic app stores that can crank prices, exorbitant medical costs, plummeting living standards and rampant inequality, and crashing longevity and happiness.
      - toomuchtodo 2y ago

glzone1 2y ago

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cqqxo4zV46cp 2y ago
You … could have both things. You could have real consumer protections, so people like you don’t conflate competition with an absolute free-for-all. Plenty of other jurisdictions do it.
Novosell 2y ago
Do you have data to back up that android users get scammed more? Because that seems to be the implication here.
- Ductapemaster 2y ago
  They specifically called out "We get to see how businesses operate under the US government policies when they act on the web" — it's not a specific dig on Android.
  - Novosell 2y ago
    Then they go on to say that the way Apple operates iPhone leads to less scams and there is really only one other phone OS. But their comment is dead now, so I'm not the only one who found it silly.
- glzone1 2y ago
  My point is that I as no expert in fraud can in about 5-10 minutes find many examples of clear fraud online that nothing is being done about. If anything, ONLY buying through the Apple App store would probably result in a safer buying experience for most folks with MORE protections not less. One of the value propositions to consumers is that Apple has enough power to push back against big corps. Ask to Track was a push (originally apple was going to ban totally but in "fairness" let businesses track) to let users decide if they wanted to be tracked. If they said no full features of the app had to remain available. Compare even that to the pointless privacy notices they send in the mail saying you can send a letter to some address to ask them not to track you and sell you data? I worked in an elder care adjacent setting - financial fraud is wild against the elderly. It's getting sophisticated. A nice robot voice calls, your account at XXX has been compromised or accessed from Russia, if this was not you you please enter the 6 digit code we've sent to confirm. That six digit code is the 2FA for your real account, which is then drained.

monero-xmr 2y ago

EU can focus on making more regulations, while US focuses on building new businesses. Then the new businesses will adapt to the regulations, while Europe has no businesses that need to be regulated.

cqqxo4zV46cp 2y ago
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sschueller 2y ago
Have you ever been to Europe?
- monero-xmr 2y ago
  Yes, but has Europe created a Google, Amazon, Netflix, Microsoft, or Facebook sized tech business in the last 30 years?
  - givinguflac 2y ago
    Spotify would probably qualify, fyi.
    - monero-xmr 2y ago
      A large business, but if this is the best Europe can offer, certainly a short king in comparison.
      - archagon 2y ago
        What is Google’s business these days? What about Facebook’s? The core products that put them on the map have been degenerating for the past decade, and the only exciting things coming out of these companies have been the result of acquisitions.
  - ath3nd 2y ago
    For all your big tech, you seem to be dying younger than us, and unhappier, and less free: 1. Freedom: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/freedom-index-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/freedom-i... 2. Longevity: https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/ https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/ 3. Happiness https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/happiest-countries-in-the-world https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/happiest-... One thing you are a winner in is school shootings: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/school-shootings-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/school-sh... I am happy that the lack of regulation + the ability to exploit your workers creates massive companies. Not sure if it's good for your society, but you do you, America.