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Tom Cruise is dangerous and irresponsible (2005)

36 points by wslh 2y ago

lucasyvas 2y ago
That’s right, Ice…man. I am dangerous. Cruise has always been a bit off the wall personally. I’m not sure how he stacks up against some of the other awful people in Hollywood, however. He’s done a bit better at keeping his personal image cleaner over recent years. My understanding is that his contentious positions are mostly rooted in his faith, which is another rabbit hole.
- _cenw 2y ago
  Scientology, or rather Hubbard considered psychiatry competing business. Not much faith involved here.
  - bitshiftfaced 2y ago
    What's the difference?
pmarreck 2y ago
I admire the guy's work ethic and pantheon of successful entertainments but I think most intelligent people would take anything a celebrity claims is fact with one or more grains of salt, regardless, especially if they are involved in a cult.
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newprint 2y ago
I found the fact that Tom Cruise drove off with the flag at Olympics and the fact that Tom Cruise is a prominent member of Scientology and a fact that Scientology headquarters are in LA and the fact that next Olympic games are going to be LA, kinda interesting
- afavour 2y ago
  I think it speaks to much much Scientology has permeated the Hollywood celebrity set than it does anything about the Olympics.
- hn_throwaway_99 2y ago
  Or, ya know, he's one of the most famous movie stars on the planet, and the next Olympics are going to be held in the movie capital of the world. But, please, continue to let us know how the iLluMinaTi control us all!!!
- Keyframe 2y ago
  Superstar actor and Hollywood would first come to mind though.
- mrmetanoia 2y ago
  I wouldn't get stuck on it. Scientology is in LA for the movie stars, Tom Cruise is a movie star that got sucked into Scientology, because they like to recruit movie stars. I wouldn't pass that burden on to the whole city of the Olympics.
- fullshark 2y ago
  Aren't Scientology headquarters in Clearwater, FL? The other two things are definitely connected though (LA and Hollywood actor).
  - AtlasBarfed 2y ago
    I'm sure that's just for tax reasons
willmadden 2y ago
He was sure on target about SSRI's and the serotonin theory of depression not being empirically substantiated...
- AtlasBarfed 2y ago
  Yeah but that's because he thinks aliens buried nukes and volcanoes. And now they're alien spirits inhabit earthlings. And further, simply by giving the Church of Scientology a million dollars, you can rid yourself of these unknown alien spirits
dontknowwho 2y ago
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giardini 2y ago
..why, the very idea...
api 2y ago
Why does anyone ever listen to celebrities on things like medicine? If Tom Cruise talks about movie making or acting I’ll listen.
steve_adams_86 2y ago
I’m in no position to attempt any kind of internet diagnosis of Cruise, but I wonder if his disdain for ADHD drugs might stem from his own diagnosis and attempted treatment at some point in his life. He has the energy, intensity, drive, singular focus, and (for lack of better words) obsession often associated with some presentations of the condition.
- thuuuomas 2y ago
  Scientology has a long-standing opposition to psychotropic drugs & psychiatry broadly
  - steve_adams_86 2y ago
    I'm digging into that now. On one hand I can kind of understand the position, yet on the other the motive and reasoning doesn’t feel quite right. I guess that might be a broad theme with Scientology.
- sph 2y ago
  > He has the energy, intensity, drive, singular focus, and (for lack of better words) obsession That's not ADHD man. Unless you mean energy, intensity, drive and singular focus for something and the next day you forgot all about it and it's onto the next shiny thing. For example, 3 hours ago I decided I want to write a video game. Never written anything more complex than PONG in my entire life. I know myself enough that I'll be writing down all the fancy ideas I have, and we'll see if I still want to do it in 2 days.
  - steve_adams_86 2y ago
    I’m a bit of both. I have long-lasting, deep-running, intense passions for many things in life (I’m obsessed with aquatic stuff for example, and I’ll hop in the water with a mask and snorkel anywhere and any time of year if I might see something interesting… And my definition of interesting pushes the boundaries of the meaning of that word for most people), yet I’ve got those fleeting interests as well. Far too many of them for sure. I’ve done the video game one before. Not coincidentally, it had an aquatic theme. I lasted like 2 weeks. I wasn’t discouraged by a lack of interest necessarily, but the sense that it was truly impossible to pursue. I know some other people with ADHD who have very central and long-lasting interests, but you’re not wrong that the passing (and often even more intense) ones are real too. Perhaps more common as well. That’s why I said “some presentations”; some people find a groove that allows them to go deep on something they’re interested in, I guess. But certainly not always.
pandemic_region 2y ago
Let's just remember him as a fantastic actor and classify the shenenigans in his personal life with SC under 'bored and not knowing how to have an impact with his money'.
- stavros 2y ago
  It's kind of odd to me that we listen to famous actors' opinions on anything other than acting, instead of treating them like the average Joe they are when they speak about something that's not in their area of expertise.
  - drewcoo 2y ago
    I think most famous actors also don't know anything about acting. Most of them in Hollywood are paid to look pretty on screen and have the acting range of a turnip.
  - CoastalCoder 2y ago
    Yeah, given how common that is, I imagine it tells us something about the human condition in general. Although I'm not really sure what the takeaway would be.
    - jajko 2y ago
      I am pretty sure, although I realize I may be off quite a bit so take it with a big grain of salt. We humans have this sheepish herd mentality - when SHTF its often manifested in even the best and mentally most resilient of us. A great societal evolutionary advantage in the past for sure, but these days it messes up important stuff like politics and overall heading of society, since its trivial for skilled/talented people to abuse. Trump won that way, as did any other populist ever, this is reason why so many stupid movements like flat earthers exist. All this boils down to us being mostly emotional rather than mostly rational beings. Emotions are easy to manipulate and change even on their own, do something dramatic and decades of hard facts are thrown out of window in an instant. Back to why simpler folk so desperately cling to celebrities - we want to be told how to live, what to do, what to think. Figuring out life for oneself is massively harder very long task with no guarantee of success. And lets be honest, most folks don't end up very fulfilled nor happy, life has many tricks how to fuck you up even if you don't manage to do it yourself. Thats why and only why fashion is a thing, rationally it makes 0 sense. Thats why folks get addicted to sugary food that kills them while knowing it very well. We are not good at managing emotions, rather emotions manage us. I try to actively fight all this, but its an uphill mental battle with parts of myself, and the more successful you are, the further you get from most other folks just drifting in their lives, effectively erasing a lot of common ground.
white_beach 2y ago
rock is set
lovegrenoble 2y ago
I'm a fan
aaron695 2y ago
Good to the the comments so far are so propagandized they are clueless why this is posted. They can't even grasp the concept, even if they disagree. Tom Cruise was right, he was the canary in the coal mine when everyone said he was crazy. He had a strange religion so it was ok to dump on him. Ritalin is heavily abused by children. There is no doubt massive amounts of children should be treated by other non pharma methods. Psychiatry has shifted the Overton window to places no one thought they would go back then. If in the early 2000's you told people the 2024 rates of Ritalin and pharma use they would be shocked at the abuse. The famous interview - https://youtu.be/tFgF1JPNR5E?t=460 https://youtu.be/tFgF1JPNR5E?t=460
fullshark 2y ago
I believe drugs are overprescribed in this country, especially for mental health issues. Maybe Tom Cruise went too far in claiming all psychiatry is quackery but I don't think it was necessarily dangerous and irresponsible for a celebrity to come out and share their opinion like this, celebrities opening up about their wacky beliefs used to be pretty much accepted before all celebrities decided brand management was instrumental to all public relations.
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amin 2y ago
I know I will get downvoted. But Tom Cruise is right. Psychiatry is largely nonsense and the DSM book is almost arbitrarily made up by a bunch of suits. In most of the higher quality studies, antidepressants are no better than placebo. And “ADHD Does Not Exist”, that’s book title by one of the foremost ADHD psychiatrists who helped popularize it but is now calling for a reversion. The symptoms exist, not ADHD is not a real disease.
- lawlessone 2y ago
  >The symptoms exist, not ADHD is not a real disease. This is just logic chopping. You could say the same about autism or depression, as it varies so much across people. Maybe my car doesn't exist? It's just collection of metal parts that when put together happen to get me to the shop?
- watwut 2y ago
  > In most of the higher quality studies, antidepressants are no better than placebo. That is extremely strong claim. From what I searched, this is not what higher quality studies found. Instead, they found them statistically working for some issues and not working ... for other issues.
Havoc 2y ago
Anyone considering Tom cruise a credible source for info on post partum depression probably isn’t the most discerning in where they get their medical info anyway
fatnoah 2y ago
Tom Cruise is dangerous and irresponsible, and those who take medical advice from non-professionals are just as bad.
wslh 2y ago
Not the main topic, but Tom Cruise's fitness at 62 is incredible. Have you seen him at the end of the 2024 Olympics? [1]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIeHFbfSbCM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIeHFbfSbCM
- pull_my_finger 2y ago
  The thing I noticed was how bloated and mask-like his face looked. Reminded me of Norm MacDonald near the end that in hindsight was proof he was obviously very sick. I'm no doctor or anything, but his appearance looked very "off" to me. Obviously he was still doing some pretty physically impressive stuff in the video though.
  - wslh 2y ago
    While I was reading the first part of your comment I thought about Impossible Mission mask scenes. Yes, there are videos about IM masks! [1]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=770nI13-MJs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=770nI13-MJs
iJohnDoe 2y ago
I think he apologized for this.

36 points by wslh 2y ago

That’s right, Ice…man. I am dangerous. Cruise has always been a bit off the wall personally. I’m not sure how he stacks up against some of the other awful people in Hollywood, however. He’s done a bit better at keeping his personal image cleaner over recent years. My understanding is that his contentious positions are mostly rooted in his faith, which is another rabbit hole.

_cenw 2y ago
Scientology, or rather Hubbard considered psychiatry competing business. Not much faith involved here.
- bitshiftfaced 2y ago
  What's the difference?

pmarreck 2y ago

I admire the guy's work ethic and pantheon of successful entertainments but I think most intelligent people would take anything a celebrity claims is fact with one or more grains of salt, regardless, especially if they are involved in a cult.

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newprint 2y ago

I found the fact that Tom Cruise drove off with the flag at Olympics and the fact that Tom Cruise is a prominent member of Scientology and a fact that Scientology headquarters are in LA and the fact that next Olympic games are going to be LA, kinda interesting

afavour 2y ago
I think it speaks to much much Scientology has permeated the Hollywood celebrity set than it does anything about the Olympics.
hn_throwaway_99 2y ago
Or, ya know, he's one of the most famous movie stars on the planet, and the next Olympics are going to be held in the movie capital of the world. But, please, continue to let us know how the iLluMinaTi control us all!!!
Keyframe 2y ago
Superstar actor and Hollywood would first come to mind though.
mrmetanoia 2y ago
I wouldn't get stuck on it. Scientology is in LA for the movie stars, Tom Cruise is a movie star that got sucked into Scientology, because they like to recruit movie stars. I wouldn't pass that burden on to the whole city of the Olympics.
fullshark 2y ago
Aren't Scientology headquarters in Clearwater, FL? The other two things are definitely connected though (LA and Hollywood actor).
- AtlasBarfed 2y ago
  I'm sure that's just for tax reasons

willmadden 2y ago

He was sure on target about SSRI's and the serotonin theory of depression not being empirically substantiated...

AtlasBarfed 2y ago
Yeah but that's because he thinks aliens buried nukes and volcanoes. And now they're alien spirits inhabit earthlings. And further, simply by giving the Church of Scientology a million dollars, you can rid yourself of these unknown alien spirits

dontknowwho 2y ago

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giardini 2y ago

..why, the very idea...

api 2y ago

Why does anyone ever listen to celebrities on things like medicine? If Tom Cruise talks about movie making or acting I’ll listen.

steve_adams_86 2y ago

I’m in no position to attempt any kind of internet diagnosis of Cruise, but I wonder if his disdain for ADHD drugs might stem from his own diagnosis and attempted treatment at some point in his life. He has the energy, intensity, drive, singular focus, and (for lack of better words) obsession often associated with some presentations of the condition.

thuuuomas 2y ago
Scientology has a long-standing opposition to psychotropic drugs & psychiatry broadly
- steve_adams_86 2y ago
  I'm digging into that now. On one hand I can kind of understand the position, yet on the other the motive and reasoning doesn’t feel quite right. I guess that might be a broad theme with Scientology.
sph 2y ago
> He has the energy, intensity, drive, singular focus, and (for lack of better words) obsession That's not ADHD man. Unless you mean energy, intensity, drive and singular focus for something and the next day you forgot all about it and it's onto the next shiny thing. For example, 3 hours ago I decided I want to write a video game. Never written anything more complex than PONG in my entire life. I know myself enough that I'll be writing down all the fancy ideas I have, and we'll see if I still want to do it in 2 days.
- steve_adams_86 2y ago
  I’m a bit of both. I have long-lasting, deep-running, intense passions for many things in life (I’m obsessed with aquatic stuff for example, and I’ll hop in the water with a mask and snorkel anywhere and any time of year if I might see something interesting… And my definition of interesting pushes the boundaries of the meaning of that word for most people), yet I’ve got those fleeting interests as well. Far too many of them for sure. I’ve done the video game one before. Not coincidentally, it had an aquatic theme. I lasted like 2 weeks. I wasn’t discouraged by a lack of interest necessarily, but the sense that it was truly impossible to pursue. I know some other people with ADHD who have very central and long-lasting interests, but you’re not wrong that the passing (and often even more intense) ones are real too. Perhaps more common as well. That’s why I said “some presentations”; some people find a groove that allows them to go deep on something they’re interested in, I guess. But certainly not always.

pandemic_region 2y ago

Let's just remember him as a fantastic actor and classify the shenenigans in his personal life with SC under 'bored and not knowing how to have an impact with his money'.

stavros 2y ago
It's kind of odd to me that we listen to famous actors' opinions on anything other than acting, instead of treating them like the average Joe they are when they speak about something that's not in their area of expertise.
- drewcoo 2y ago
  I think most famous actors also don't know anything about acting. Most of them in Hollywood are paid to look pretty on screen and have the acting range of a turnip.
- CoastalCoder 2y ago
  Yeah, given how common that is, I imagine it tells us something about the human condition in general. Although I'm not really sure what the takeaway would be.
  - jajko 2y ago
    I am pretty sure, although I realize I may be off quite a bit so take it with a big grain of salt. We humans have this sheepish herd mentality - when SHTF its often manifested in even the best and mentally most resilient of us. A great societal evolutionary advantage in the past for sure, but these days it messes up important stuff like politics and overall heading of society, since its trivial for skilled/talented people to abuse. Trump won that way, as did any other populist ever, this is reason why so many stupid movements like flat earthers exist. All this boils down to us being mostly emotional rather than mostly rational beings. Emotions are easy to manipulate and change even on their own, do something dramatic and decades of hard facts are thrown out of window in an instant. Back to why simpler folk so desperately cling to celebrities - we want to be told how to live, what to do, what to think. Figuring out life for oneself is massively harder very long task with no guarantee of success. And lets be honest, most folks don't end up very fulfilled nor happy, life has many tricks how to fuck you up even if you don't manage to do it yourself. Thats why and only why fashion is a thing, rationally it makes 0 sense. Thats why folks get addicted to sugary food that kills them while knowing it very well. We are not good at managing emotions, rather emotions manage us. I try to actively fight all this, but its an uphill mental battle with parts of myself, and the more successful you are, the further you get from most other folks just drifting in their lives, effectively erasing a lot of common ground.

white_beach 2y ago

rock is set

lovegrenoble 2y ago

I'm a fan

aaron695 2y ago

Good to the the comments so far are so propagandized they are clueless why this is posted. They can't even grasp the concept, even if they disagree. Tom Cruise was right, he was the canary in the coal mine when everyone said he was crazy. He had a strange religion so it was ok to dump on him. Ritalin is heavily abused by children. There is no doubt massive amounts of children should be treated by other non pharma methods. Psychiatry has shifted the Overton window to places no one thought they would go back then. If in the early 2000's you told people the 2024 rates of Ritalin and pharma use they would be shocked at the abuse. The famous interview - https://youtu.be/tFgF1JPNR5E?t=460 https://youtu.be/tFgF1JPNR5E?t=460

fullshark 2y ago

I believe drugs are overprescribed in this country, especially for mental health issues. Maybe Tom Cruise went too far in claiming all psychiatry is quackery but I don't think it was necessarily dangerous and irresponsible for a celebrity to come out and share their opinion like this, celebrities opening up about their wacky beliefs used to be pretty much accepted before all celebrities decided brand management was instrumental to all public relations.

deleted 2y ago

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amin 2y ago

I know I will get downvoted. But Tom Cruise is right. Psychiatry is largely nonsense and the DSM book is almost arbitrarily made up by a bunch of suits. In most of the higher quality studies, antidepressants are no better than placebo. And “ADHD Does Not Exist”, that’s book title by one of the foremost ADHD psychiatrists who helped popularize it but is now calling for a reversion. The symptoms exist, not ADHD is not a real disease.

lawlessone 2y ago
>The symptoms exist, not ADHD is not a real disease. This is just logic chopping. You could say the same about autism or depression, as it varies so much across people. Maybe my car doesn't exist? It's just collection of metal parts that when put together happen to get me to the shop?
watwut 2y ago
> In most of the higher quality studies, antidepressants are no better than placebo. That is extremely strong claim. From what I searched, this is not what higher quality studies found. Instead, they found them statistically working for some issues and not working ... for other issues.

Havoc 2y ago

Anyone considering Tom cruise a credible source for info on post partum depression probably isn’t the most discerning in where they get their medical info anyway

fatnoah 2y ago

Tom Cruise is dangerous and irresponsible, and those who take medical advice from non-professionals are just as bad.

wslh 2y ago

Not the main topic, but Tom Cruise's fitness at 62 is incredible. Have you seen him at the end of the 2024 Olympics? [1]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIeHFbfSbCM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIeHFbfSbCM

pull_my_finger 2y ago
The thing I noticed was how bloated and mask-like his face looked. Reminded me of Norm MacDonald near the end that in hindsight was proof he was obviously very sick. I'm no doctor or anything, but his appearance looked very "off" to me. Obviously he was still doing some pretty physically impressive stuff in the video though.
- wslh 2y ago
  While I was reading the first part of your comment I thought about Impossible Mission mask scenes. Yes, there are videos about IM masks! [1]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=770nI13-MJs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=770nI13-MJs

iJohnDoe 2y ago

I think he apologized for this.