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Iran's government is, in fact, openly antisemitic[1]. This doesn't mean the average Iranian is antisemitic, or that all criticism of Israel is. [1]: https://e

Iran's government is, in fact, openly antisemitic[1]. This doesn't mean the average Iranian is antisemitic, or that all criticism of Israel is. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Conference_to_Review_the_Global_Vision_of_the_Holocaust https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Conference_to_Re...

mdgrech23 2y ago
Is criticizing the current genocide also anti-semetic? Because that's what happening.
- exe34 2y ago
  What does genocide mean in this context? Are you referring to information provided by Hamas? Or information that the UN repeats on behalf of Hamas?
  - equilibrium 2y ago
    First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
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    - exe34 2y ago
      Have you considered an ophthalmologist? I'm not qualified to give medical advice.
- woodruffw 2y ago
  > Is criticizing the current genocide also anti-semetic? No. Did I say that?
- zo1 2y ago
  If you're phrasing the entire situation as a genocide, then arguably yes, because you're doing it to the detriment of the Jewish people and arguably on purpose because the word and it's application here is gooey and not straightforward. Why didn't we call the US invasion of Iraq extermination, or occupation, or bullying, or or or. Heck, there have been actual Genocide events around the world, and we only 50/50 end up defining them as such. But hey, the one with the most control over feelings and the media is the one that defines the situation. It's optics and marketing, and we all know why people are trying to coalesce around the word "genocide" because it has the most amount of impact, even though it's arguably not correct and also correct in some other ways. So it forces us to sit here debating it, instead of helping the innocent people on the ground. But no one will ask "hey, let's just resettle the entire Palestinian population." or "Hey, lets get all the children out of this conflict zone, and then we can have the debate.".
  - aguaviva 2y ago
    But no one will ask "hey, let's just resettle the entire Palestinian population." Are you suggesting this is a viable course of action to take? I'm genuinely unsure of how to read the intent behind this snippet.
throw310822 2y ago
That was an ultra-conservative prime minister 18 years ago. Not enough to call "the government" antisemitic, in general and all the time.
- exe34 2y ago
  I think funding Hamas and supplying them with weapons, given their actions on October 7th, counts as antisemitic. Hamas has one purpose.
  - throw834928 2y ago
    I wonder what that makes Netanyahu https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up...
    - exe34 2y ago
      so if they cut aid from Hamas, it's genocide, open air prison, etc, but if they provide humanitarian support before Hamas attacks them, it's their own fault?
- woodruffw 2y ago
  Khamenei has been the supreme leader for over three decades at this point, and has left a very long trail of Holocaust denial and "elders of Zion"-type public statements behind him. I don't think it's a stretch to infer that Iran's governmental views extend in no small part from his personal views. Again: this isn't a blanket characterization of the people of Iran, and it's not an assumption that Iran's government will always be antisemitic.
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mdgrech23 2y ago

Is criticizing the current genocide also anti-semetic? Because that's what happening.

exe34 2y ago
What does genocide mean in this context? Are you referring to information provided by Hamas? Or information that the UN repeats on behalf of Hamas?
- equilibrium 2y ago
  First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
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  - exe34 2y ago
    Have you considered an ophthalmologist? I'm not qualified to give medical advice.
woodruffw 2y ago
> Is criticizing the current genocide also anti-semetic? No. Did I say that?
zo1 2y ago
If you're phrasing the entire situation as a genocide, then arguably yes, because you're doing it to the detriment of the Jewish people and arguably on purpose because the word and it's application here is gooey and not straightforward. Why didn't we call the US invasion of Iraq extermination, or occupation, or bullying, or or or. Heck, there have been actual Genocide events around the world, and we only 50/50 end up defining them as such. But hey, the one with the most control over feelings and the media is the one that defines the situation. It's optics and marketing, and we all know why people are trying to coalesce around the word "genocide" because it has the most amount of impact, even though it's arguably not correct and also correct in some other ways. So it forces us to sit here debating it, instead of helping the innocent people on the ground. But no one will ask "hey, let's just resettle the entire Palestinian population." or "Hey, lets get all the children out of this conflict zone, and then we can have the debate.".
- aguaviva 2y ago
  But no one will ask "hey, let's just resettle the entire Palestinian population." Are you suggesting this is a viable course of action to take? I'm genuinely unsure of how to read the intent behind this snippet.

throw310822 2y ago

That was an ultra-conservative prime minister 18 years ago. Not enough to call "the government" antisemitic, in general and all the time.

exe34 2y ago
I think funding Hamas and supplying them with weapons, given their actions on October 7th, counts as antisemitic. Hamas has one purpose.
- throw834928 2y ago
  I wonder what that makes Netanyahu https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up...
  - exe34 2y ago
    so if they cut aid from Hamas, it's genocide, open air prison, etc, but if they provide humanitarian support before Hamas attacks them, it's their own fault?
woodruffw 2y ago
Khamenei has been the supreme leader for over three decades at this point, and has left a very long trail of Holocaust denial and "elders of Zion"-type public statements behind him. I don't think it's a stretch to infer that Iran's governmental views extend in no small part from his personal views. Again: this isn't a blanket characterization of the people of Iran, and it's not an assumption that Iran's government will always be antisemitic.

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