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Israel is doing anything it can to provoke a response from Iran- then it'll turn back to the West and demand more money, weapons and diplomatic support to "defe

Israel is doing anything it can to provoke a response from Iran- then it'll turn back to the West and demand more money, weapons and diplomatic support to "defend itself".

mdgrech23 2y ago
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- woodruffw 2y ago
  Iran's government is, in fact, openly antisemitic[1]. This doesn't mean the average Iranian is antisemitic, or that all criticism of Israel is. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Conference_to_Review_the_Global_Vision_of_the_Holocaust https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Conference_to_Re...
  - mdgrech23 2y ago
    Is criticizing the current genocide also anti-semetic? Because that's what happening.
    - exe34 2y ago
      What does genocide mean in this context? Are you referring to information provided by Hamas? Or information that the UN repeats on behalf of Hamas?
      - equilibrium 2y ago
        First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
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        exe34 2y ago
        Have you considered an ophthalmologist? I'm not qualified to give medical advice.
    - woodruffw 2y ago
      > Is criticizing the current genocide also anti-semetic? No. Did I say that?
    - zo1 2y ago
      If you're phrasing the entire situation as a genocide, then arguably yes, because you're doing it to the detriment of the Jewish people and arguably on purpose because the word and it's application here is gooey and not straightforward. Why didn't we call the US invasion of Iraq extermination, or occupation, or bullying, or or or. Heck, there have been actual Genocide events around the world, and we only 50/50 end up defining them as such. But hey, the one with the most control over feelings and the media is the one that defines the situation. It's optics and marketing, and we all know why people are trying to coalesce around the word "genocide" because it has the most amount of impact, even though it's arguably not correct and also correct in some other ways. So it forces us to sit here debating it, instead of helping the innocent people on the ground. But no one will ask "hey, let's just resettle the entire Palestinian population." or "Hey, lets get all the children out of this conflict zone, and then we can have the debate.".
      - aguaviva 2y ago
        But no one will ask "hey, let's just resettle the entire Palestinian population." Are you suggesting this is a viable course of action to take? I'm genuinely unsure of how to read the intent behind this snippet.
  - throw310822 2y ago
    That was an ultra-conservative prime minister 18 years ago. Not enough to call "the government" antisemitic, in general and all the time.
    - exe34 2y ago
      I think funding Hamas and supplying them with weapons, given their actions on October 7th, counts as antisemitic. Hamas has one purpose.
      - throw834928 2y ago
        I wonder what that makes Netanyahu https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up...
        exe34 2y ago
        so if they cut aid from Hamas, it's genocide, open air prison, etc, but if they provide humanitarian support before Hamas attacks them, it's their own fault?
    - woodruffw 2y ago
      Khamenei has been the supreme leader for over three decades at this point, and has left a very long trail of Holocaust denial and "elders of Zion"-type public statements behind him. I don't think it's a stretch to infer that Iran's governmental views extend in no small part from his personal views. Again: this isn't a blanket characterization of the people of Iran, and it's not an assumption that Iran's government will always be antisemitic.
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AnimalMuppet 2y ago
That cuts both ways. Iran has also doing plenty to provoke Israel, for years - though they mostly do it through proxies. (But chanting "Death to Israel" at the inauguration of their president? That is not a benign, neutral act.)
- zo1 2y ago
  It's very clear that the "1st World" nations are adamant about destroying themselves by importing the third world, and it's also very clear that places like Russia, Israel, and China are not. Not to put the three in the same "bucket" or make them equal, but they are just some prime examples of countries that are valuing and defending themselves and their own citizens above others. Until the day comes when my people, my culture, and my race are treated equally to others, that's the day I'll become a proud citizen of the "World" and Humanity. Until then, I'll fight for my own existence and my own people.
- throw310822 2y ago
  They do provoke each other, sure. However Israel is the only one that gets solidarity when the other hits back. Btw, "death to" is a mistranslation- in Persian it just means "down with". The American comedy "Down with love" is translated in Iran as "death to love".
  - exe34 2y ago
    Did they also supply guns to a terrorist organisation in the comedy?
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Israel is doing anything it can to provoke a response from Iran- then it'll turn back to the West and demand more money, weapons and diplomatic support to "defend itself".

mdgrech23 2y ago

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woodruffw 2y ago
Iran's government is, in fact, openly antisemitic[1]. This doesn't mean the average Iranian is antisemitic, or that all criticism of Israel is. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Conference_to_Review_the_Global_Vision_of_the_Holocaust https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Conference_to_Re...
- mdgrech23 2y ago
  Is criticizing the current genocide also anti-semetic? Because that's what happening.
  - exe34 2y ago
    What does genocide mean in this context? Are you referring to information provided by Hamas? Or information that the UN repeats on behalf of Hamas?
    - equilibrium 2y ago
      First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
      - deleted 2y ago
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      - exe34 2y ago
        Have you considered an ophthalmologist? I'm not qualified to give medical advice.
  - woodruffw 2y ago
    > Is criticizing the current genocide also anti-semetic? No. Did I say that?
  - zo1 2y ago
    If you're phrasing the entire situation as a genocide, then arguably yes, because you're doing it to the detriment of the Jewish people and arguably on purpose because the word and it's application here is gooey and not straightforward. Why didn't we call the US invasion of Iraq extermination, or occupation, or bullying, or or or. Heck, there have been actual Genocide events around the world, and we only 50/50 end up defining them as such. But hey, the one with the most control over feelings and the media is the one that defines the situation. It's optics and marketing, and we all know why people are trying to coalesce around the word "genocide" because it has the most amount of impact, even though it's arguably not correct and also correct in some other ways. So it forces us to sit here debating it, instead of helping the innocent people on the ground. But no one will ask "hey, let's just resettle the entire Palestinian population." or "Hey, lets get all the children out of this conflict zone, and then we can have the debate.".
    - aguaviva 2y ago
      But no one will ask "hey, let's just resettle the entire Palestinian population." Are you suggesting this is a viable course of action to take? I'm genuinely unsure of how to read the intent behind this snippet.
- throw310822 2y ago
  That was an ultra-conservative prime minister 18 years ago. Not enough to call "the government" antisemitic, in general and all the time.
  - exe34 2y ago
    I think funding Hamas and supplying them with weapons, given their actions on October 7th, counts as antisemitic. Hamas has one purpose.
    - throw834928 2y ago
      I wonder what that makes Netanyahu https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up...
      - exe34 2y ago
        so if they cut aid from Hamas, it's genocide, open air prison, etc, but if they provide humanitarian support before Hamas attacks them, it's their own fault?
  - woodruffw 2y ago
    Khamenei has been the supreme leader for over three decades at this point, and has left a very long trail of Holocaust denial and "elders of Zion"-type public statements behind him. I don't think it's a stretch to infer that Iran's governmental views extend in no small part from his personal views. Again: this isn't a blanket characterization of the people of Iran, and it's not an assumption that Iran's government will always be antisemitic.
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AnimalMuppet 2y ago

That cuts both ways. Iran has also doing plenty to provoke Israel, for years - though they mostly do it through proxies. (But chanting "Death to Israel" at the inauguration of their president? That is not a benign, neutral act.)

zo1 2y ago
It's very clear that the "1st World" nations are adamant about destroying themselves by importing the third world, and it's also very clear that places like Russia, Israel, and China are not. Not to put the three in the same "bucket" or make them equal, but they are just some prime examples of countries that are valuing and defending themselves and their own citizens above others. Until the day comes when my people, my culture, and my race are treated equally to others, that's the day I'll become a proud citizen of the "World" and Humanity. Until then, I'll fight for my own existence and my own people.
throw310822 2y ago
They do provoke each other, sure. However Israel is the only one that gets solidarity when the other hits back. Btw, "death to" is a mistranslation- in Persian it just means "down with". The American comedy "Down with love" is translated in Iran as "death to love".
- exe34 2y ago
  Did they also supply guns to a terrorist organisation in the comedy?

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