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I wish people wouldn't cheer when criminals evade accountability.
by 2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago
I wish people wouldn't cheer when criminals evade accountability.
- GrumpyNl 2y agoFirst we have to agree on whats a criminal.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 2y agoSure. I propose...a trial.
- immibis 2y agoKangaroo court it is. We say you're a movie pirate, so you are one. Life in prison for you. ...that is a summary of Kim's trial. Movie companies own the government.
- philippejara 2y agoIs that going to be a trial by the laws of the land he resides in and not to a foreign country that the defendant is not a citizen nor a resident nor operates out of and that refuses to guarantee the same protections under the law to a non-citizen compared to a citizen[1]? This same foreign country who passed laws for invading the hague if they came under trial for crimes in the ICC. [1]: See assange's bid for first amendment's guarantees when the same foreign country was trying to extradite and "trial" him
- SpicyLemonZest 2y agoHe moved to New Zealand after much of the alleged criminal conduct, in a deal where he was pretty explicitly buying residency to the point that immigration authorities tried to keep it a secret. (https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/6547471/Secrecy-over-Dotcoms-residency-application https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/6547471/Secrecy-over-...)
- philippejara 2y agoHe didn't move to new zealand from the US so I struggle to see how that is relevant, it's not HK or Germany looking to extradite him.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 2y agoIf New Zealand says he can be extradited and stand trial in the US then that's the law. International law is a strange beast.
- account42 2y agoGenereally such a trial would take place in the jurisdiction of the accused unless the crime was physically committed somewhere else.
- orra 2y agoThe fair thing to do would be to bring proceedings against him the New Zealand. Extraditing him to the U.S. isn't accountability: it's a flex.
- fckflorida 2y ago[dead]
- dialup_sounds 2y agoDotcom declined that option. His co-defendants plead guilty to NZ charges instead of being extraditioned.
- ajsnigrutin 2y agoFile sharing is not a crime. IP holder damages should take in consideration what the actual buying power of pirates is, not just multiply downloads by dvd costs, and copyright laws need a huge reform. He's a modern day robin hood, people would prefer him to win over eg. disney... and disney is not doing itself a favour these days :)
- manuelmoreale 2y agoAh, the classic tale of modern Robin Hood, living in a mansion with 18 cars and 175M in cash.
- popcalc 2y agoSharing CSAM definitely is a crime. Nuances exist. >He's a modern day robin hood He's run or partnered on multiple pump-and-dumps for the better part of 30 years, some of which capitalized on his fanbase.
- ajsnigrutin 2y agoSure, so is commiting murder. We're talking about software and (well, mostly) media piracy, movies and music here.
- DebtDeflation 2y agoOne of the arguments the government used against Kim and Mega was that they implemented tech to identify and remove CSAM therefore they could have (but chose not to) do the same for material that violated copyright. I'm not going to defend the guy because he has been involved in a number of shady dealings, but this does seem like an extraordinary amount of effort to go after a guy who ran a website that facilitated pirating of music and movies over a decade ago.
- ajsnigrutin 2y ago> I'm not going to defend the guy because he has been involved in a number of shady dealings, but this does seem like an extraordinary amount of effort to go after a guy who ran a website that facilitated pirating of music and movies over a decade ago. Yep, especially compared to other people, who did worse (pedophillia-wise), like Polansky, etc.
- GrantMoyer 2y agoSome criminals deserved to be cheered on, such as Alexandra Elbakyan.
- vaylian 2y agoBecause the real criminals are the publishers who keep publicly funded science behind a paywall. None of the people who actually conduct the science see any of the money. In fact, they typically have to pay a lot of money to get their findings published.
- SXX 2y agoBTW she is as bad as Kim Dotcom in terms of being Putin shill and other crazy stuff. So people who dislike Dotcom for this would be surprised to learn that Elbakyan is as bad. I mean she doing gods work on making science more open to everyone, but if she were living in New Zealand she would land in US prison for 10+ years long ago.
- mrfinn 2y agoWell then I guess you won't have a thing for political parties