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> but you called the idea of finding a citation a "waste of time" so that's not very convincing. Not only a waste of time, but straight up illogical. If one wa

> but you called the idea of finding a citation a "waste of time" so that's not very convincing. Not only a waste of time, but straight up illogical. If one wants to have a discussion with someone else, they can go to that someone else. There is no logical reason for me to be a pointless middleman even if time were infinite. Now, as fun as that tangent was, where is the nil implementation and hash map found in the given program?

Dylan16807 2y ago
The implementation is preexisting. Even if it was directly used, there would not be an implementation in the snippet. So it not being implemented in the snippet proves nothing. And what do you mean "someone else"? You're the one that said the compiler "certainly knows" how to do that.
- randomdata 2y ago
  > So it not being implemented in the snippet proves nothing. It doesn't prove anything, but is what we've been talking about. Indeed, there is nothing to prove. Never was. What is it with this weird obsession you have with being convinced by something? Nobody was ever trying to convince you of anything, nor would there be any reason to ever try to. That would be a pointless endeavour. > And what do you mean "someone else"? He who wrote the "citation".
  - Dylan16807 2y ago
    > there is nothing to prove. Never was. What was the point of your question, if not to prove something? If you were trying to imply that the implementation doesn't exist, that implication was fatally flawed. If you were asking to waste time, then it worked. If you had another motive, what was it? Are we having a 5d chess game? I thought it was a normal conversation. > He who wrote the "citation". Nobody? Nobody wrote a citation. Do you mean the person that asked for a citation? If so, you're wrong. Finding evidence for your own claims would not make you a middleman. They didn't want to have a discussion with someone else, they wanted a discussion with you, and for that discussion to have evidence. Citing evidence is not passing the buck to someone else, it's an important part of making claims.
    - randomdata 2y ago
      > What was the point of your question, if not to prove something? My enjoyment. For what other reason would you spend your free time doing something? > If you were trying to imply that the implementation doesn't exist, that implication was fatally flawed. And if I weren't trying? > If you were asking to waste time, then it worked. I ask nothing, but if you feel wasted your time, why? Why would you do such a thing? > If you had another motive, what was it? As before, my enjoyment. Same as you, I'm sure. What other possible reason could there be? > Nobody? Nobody wrote a citation. There was a request for me to refer another party who was willing to talk about the subject that was at hand – one that you made reference to ('you called the idea of finding a citation a "waste of time"'). Short memory? > Finding evidence for your own claims would not make you a middleman. There wasn't a request for evidence, there was a request for a citation. Those are very different things. A citation might provide some kind of pointer to help find evidence, which is what I suspect you mean, but, again, if that's what you seek then you're back to wanting to talk to someone else. If you want to talk to someone else, just go talk to them. There is no reason for me to serve as the middleman. > it's an important part of making claims. Nonsense. If my claim does not hold merit on its own, it doesn't merit further discovery. It's just not valuable at all. It can be left at that, or, if still enjoyable, can be talked about to the extent that remains enjoyable. Perhaps you are under the mistaken impression that we are writing an academic research paper here? I can assure you that is not the case.
      - Dylan16807 2y ago
        Okay so confirmed you're going meta to dodge any actual points being made, and grind any possible progress of the conversation to a halt. Bye!
        randomdata 2y ago
        Confused by academic paper writing confirmed. What lead you down that path?
        Dylan16807 2y ago
anonymoushn 2y ago
You can head over to godbolt.org and see for yourself that changing the value to nil doesn't change the implementation of `bar`, though it does cause `main` to gain a body rather than returning immediately.

Dylan16807 2y ago

The implementation is preexisting. Even if it was directly used, there would not be an implementation in the snippet. So it not being implemented in the snippet proves nothing. And what do you mean "someone else"? You're the one that said the compiler "certainly knows" how to do that.

randomdata 2y ago
> So it not being implemented in the snippet proves nothing. It doesn't prove anything, but is what we've been talking about. Indeed, there is nothing to prove. Never was. What is it with this weird obsession you have with being convinced by something? Nobody was ever trying to convince you of anything, nor would there be any reason to ever try to. That would be a pointless endeavour. > And what do you mean "someone else"? He who wrote the "citation".
- Dylan16807 2y ago
  > there is nothing to prove. Never was. What was the point of your question, if not to prove something? If you were trying to imply that the implementation doesn't exist, that implication was fatally flawed. If you were asking to waste time, then it worked. If you had another motive, what was it? Are we having a 5d chess game? I thought it was a normal conversation. > He who wrote the "citation". Nobody? Nobody wrote a citation. Do you mean the person that asked for a citation? If so, you're wrong. Finding evidence for your own claims would not make you a middleman. They didn't want to have a discussion with someone else, they wanted a discussion with you, and for that discussion to have evidence. Citing evidence is not passing the buck to someone else, it's an important part of making claims.
  - randomdata 2y ago
    > What was the point of your question, if not to prove something? My enjoyment. For what other reason would you spend your free time doing something? > If you were trying to imply that the implementation doesn't exist, that implication was fatally flawed. And if I weren't trying? > If you were asking to waste time, then it worked. I ask nothing, but if you feel wasted your time, why? Why would you do such a thing? > If you had another motive, what was it? As before, my enjoyment. Same as you, I'm sure. What other possible reason could there be? > Nobody? Nobody wrote a citation. There was a request for me to refer another party who was willing to talk about the subject that was at hand – one that you made reference to ('you called the idea of finding a citation a "waste of time"'). Short memory? > Finding evidence for your own claims would not make you a middleman. There wasn't a request for evidence, there was a request for a citation. Those are very different things. A citation might provide some kind of pointer to help find evidence, which is what I suspect you mean, but, again, if that's what you seek then you're back to wanting to talk to someone else. If you want to talk to someone else, just go talk to them. There is no reason for me to serve as the middleman. > it's an important part of making claims. Nonsense. If my claim does not hold merit on its own, it doesn't merit further discovery. It's just not valuable at all. It can be left at that, or, if still enjoyable, can be talked about to the extent that remains enjoyable. Perhaps you are under the mistaken impression that we are writing an academic research paper here? I can assure you that is not the case.
    - Dylan16807 2y ago
      Okay so confirmed you're going meta to dodge any actual points being made, and grind any possible progress of the conversation to a halt. Bye!
      - randomdata 2y ago
        Confused by academic paper writing confirmed. What lead you down that path?
        Dylan16807 2y ago

anonymoushn 2y ago

You can head over to godbolt.org and see for yourself that changing the value to nil doesn't change the implementation of `bar`, though it does cause `main` to gain a body rather than returning immediately.