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I don't think GP was a troll implying the document itself was a problem. I think they were implying that the request for the document or information about its c

by MBCook 2y ago

I don't think GP was a troll implying the document itself was a problem. I think they were implying that the request for the document or information about its creation is the issue. At last that's not my reading. The document's mere existence or quotes take from it, likely out of context, could easily be used as proof by various groups as some sort of agenda or other problematic behavior on the part of the CDC. There are plenty of groups out there happy to gin up any "evidence" they can, no matter how flimsy, to "prove" their world view and can do a lot of damage in the process. And if it's "official government evidence" that's "being hidden" all the better. A simple example we've seen: focusing and promoting the damage caused by vaccines as proof all vaccines are bad and no one should ever be forced to have one. If a vaccine had a 20% side effect rate there are plenty of people who would go nuts for "official evidence" of lots of side effects. Even if that side effect was a headache in the 24 after injection and the vaccine was a one time cure for all disease. Unfortunately there's a lot of bad faith acting out there, and many of those same people seem willing to harass the hell out of the people they view as evil.

trte9343r4 2y ago
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- throw10920 2y ago
  > vaccination was voluntary Flatly untrue. Many employers (including mine) required you to either get vaccinated, have a religious or medical excuse, or get fired.
  - hollerith 2y ago
    Also, my local community college required proof of vaccination before they'd register you for any kind of class. Does anyone remember if airlines required proof of vaccination before they'd let you travel by air?
  - trte9343r4 2y ago
    Some employers require sterilisation as part of the job. That does not mean you have to work for them! Working for someone is voluntary!
    - throw10920 2y ago
      > Some employers require sterilisation as part of the job Such as? > That does not mean you have to work for them! If most employers require it, and your school requires it, and airlines require it to fly, then it's effectively mandatory.
      - CRConrad 2y ago
        > If most employers require it, and your school requires it, and airlines require it to fly, then it's effectively mandatory. Back to the above, working for someone is voluntary. And you certainly don't have to fly anywhere; that's a choice you make. Leaves only school, and that's often more or less voluntary too.
        throw10920 2y ago
        > working for someone is voluntary You missed the word "most" in there. If most employers mandate it, it's effectively mandatory. School is also effectively mandatory in this economy. Ergo, my point stands. Don't be intellectually dishonest.
        CRConrad 2y ago
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        throw10920 2y ago
        The fact that you stalked my other comments and then engaged in personal attacks against me in other threads [1] (in addition to ideologue statements such as "I'm fairly sure there are schools ryun by anti-vaxxer nutjobs") proves conclusively that, in addition to completely disregarding the HN guidelines, you never had any intention of engaging in honest debate, that you only wish to push your political agenda regardless of facts or logic, that you're willing to lie and abuse words in order to do so, and that it's futile to respond. I do not need to defend myself against someone who behaves like this. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41290855 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41290855
- MBCook 2y ago
  Requiring vaccination to be in certain public places or events (for those without medical complications) and mandatory sterilization are very VERY different things.
  - trte9343r4 2y ago
    Really? Many athletes are not allowed to compete at Olympics without sterilization!
wakawaka28 2y ago
>A simple example we've seen: focusing and promoting the damage caused by vaccines as proof all vaccines are bad and no one should ever be forced to have one. If a vaccine had a 20% side effect rate there are plenty of people who would go nuts for "official evidence" of lots of side effects. Even if that side effect was a headache in the 24 after injection and the vaccine was a one time cure for all disease. If the side effects were truly negligible then people would not be trying to shout down and condescend to anyone who asks if there are side effects. People did experience side effects, some of those up to and including sudden death that very day, and yet people were blacklisted and banned for talking about it and demanding their bodily autonomy. Furthermore, if the vaccines were effective, necessary, and safe, you wouldn't have to mandate their adoption and simultaneously say the unvaxxed are a threat to the vaxxed (yes, they really said that in the MSM). People would be fighting to get theirs first. That isn't exactly what happened, now is it? >Unfortunately there's a lot of bad faith acting out there, and many of those same people seem willing to harass the hell out of the people they view as evil. There called liberals these days /s. Seriously though, people have a right to know what public servants are up to, and to criticize those people. If you can't handle that then you probably shouldn't be making policy or even working in government.

by MBCook 2y ago

trte9343r4 2y ago

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throw10920 2y ago
> vaccination was voluntary Flatly untrue. Many employers (including mine) required you to either get vaccinated, have a religious or medical excuse, or get fired.
- hollerith 2y ago
  Also, my local community college required proof of vaccination before they'd register you for any kind of class. Does anyone remember if airlines required proof of vaccination before they'd let you travel by air?
- trte9343r4 2y ago
  Some employers require sterilisation as part of the job. That does not mean you have to work for them! Working for someone is voluntary!
  - throw10920 2y ago
    > Some employers require sterilisation as part of the job Such as? > That does not mean you have to work for them! If most employers require it, and your school requires it, and airlines require it to fly, then it's effectively mandatory.
    - CRConrad 2y ago
      > If most employers require it, and your school requires it, and airlines require it to fly, then it's effectively mandatory. Back to the above, working for someone is voluntary. And you certainly don't have to fly anywhere; that's a choice you make. Leaves only school, and that's often more or less voluntary too.
      - throw10920 2y ago
        > working for someone is voluntary You missed the word "most" in there. If most employers mandate it, it's effectively mandatory. School is also effectively mandatory in this economy. Ergo, my point stands. Don't be intellectually dishonest.
        CRConrad 2y ago
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        throw10920 2y ago
        The fact that you stalked my other comments and then engaged in personal attacks against me in other threads [1] (in addition to ideologue statements such as "I'm fairly sure there are schools ryun by anti-vaxxer nutjobs") proves conclusively that, in addition to completely disregarding the HN guidelines, you never had any intention of engaging in honest debate, that you only wish to push your political agenda regardless of facts or logic, that you're willing to lie and abuse words in order to do so, and that it's futile to respond. I do not need to defend myself against someone who behaves like this. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41290855 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41290855
MBCook 2y ago
Requiring vaccination to be in certain public places or events (for those without medical complications) and mandatory sterilization are very VERY different things.
- trte9343r4 2y ago
  Really? Many athletes are not allowed to compete at Olympics without sterilization!

wakawaka28 2y ago

>A simple example we've seen: focusing and promoting the damage caused by vaccines as proof all vaccines are bad and no one should ever be forced to have one. If a vaccine had a 20% side effect rate there are plenty of people who would go nuts for "official evidence" of lots of side effects. Even if that side effect was a headache in the 24 after injection and the vaccine was a one time cure for all disease. If the side effects were truly negligible then people would not be trying to shout down and condescend to anyone who asks if there are side effects. People did experience side effects, some of those up to and including sudden death that very day, and yet people were blacklisted and banned for talking about it and demanding their bodily autonomy. Furthermore, if the vaccines were effective, necessary, and safe, you wouldn't have to mandate their adoption and simultaneously say the unvaxxed are a threat to the vaxxed (yes, they really said that in the MSM). People would be fighting to get theirs first. That isn't exactly what happened, now is it? >Unfortunately there's a lot of bad faith acting out there, and many of those same people seem willing to harass the hell out of the people they view as evil. There called liberals these days /s. Seriously though, people have a right to know what public servants are up to, and to criticize those people. If you can't handle that then you probably shouldn't be making policy or even working in government.