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I just don't get why don't they put it in consumer electronics first. You need big volume for supplying EVs, and having a $1000/kWh pricetag would be prohibitiv
by torginus 2y ago
I just don't get why don't they put it in consumer electronics first. You need big volume for supplying EVs, and having a $1000/kWh pricetag would be prohibitive for even premium EVs as it would cost $100k for a 100kWh battery alone, but would be totally OK for an $1000 laptop, as it would cost $100 for a 100Wh battery.
- maximus-decimus 2y agoSince they care more about reducing laptop thickness by 1mm that adding battery, I just don't see laptop manufacturers be interested in this. Even if they did, they would just make the laptops even thinner instead of increasing capacity. Apple just won't be satisfied until you can use your ipad as a kitchen knife.
- teaearlgraycold 2y agoApple did just increase the thickness of the MBP with the redesign a couple of years ago.
- maximus-decimus 2y agoRumors are the next will be the thinnest ever though : https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/1di6xrg/mark_gurman_claims_new_macbook_pros_will_be_the/ https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/1di6xrg/mark_gurm...
- solardev 2y agoThey better leave my HDMI and USB-C ports alone!
- datavirtue 2y agoWhy do you need those "old" boomer ports?
- solardev 2y agoThe HDMI-VGA adapter connected to my 27" Trinitron lets me see the "print" button. The USB-parallel adapter sends it to the dot-matrix. It's how I print all my "GET OFF MY FACEBOOK" signs.
- bobthepanda 2y agoTo be either really boomer or really hipster, you should send it to a split flap display.
- AtlasBarfed 2y agoThe dongle generation has been officially subsumed by apple propaganda. That's right, the youth not caring About HDMI means they officially cannot think for themselves. Also cut your hair!
- maximus-decimus 2y agoI'm refusing to upgrade my 6 years old phone because all the good phones I would want don't have headphone jacks :( Just think about it, the latest Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 6 is half an inch thick and they'll still complain they don't have the room for a headphone jack. Absolutely infuriating.
- bugbuddy 2y agoAnd here I was hoping they would fix the loose HDMI port problem. By the way, is your MacBook Pro HDMI port really loose and easily disconnected with any small movement or bump? It has been very frustrating.Some people are saying all the MacBook HDMI ports are like this.
- pyth0 2y agoYes I also run into this! I thought it was just a shoddy HDMI cable but this is the first I'm hearing that it's a wider issue. Fortunately macOS handles the disconnect/connect quickly but it drives me crazy some days trying to run my secondary monitor off it.
- bugbuddy 2y agoI think someone should start a class action lawsuit to demand Apple to recall and fix all of them.
- solardev 2y agoI haven't noticed any issues on my M2 MacBook Pro yet, but I've only used that port maybe a total of a dozen times since I've gotten it. Probably an eventuality :(
- mulderc 2y agoI haven’t seen this and many people in my office have one and have not heard anything about this.
- kccqzy 2y agoWhich is why I'm selling my MBP for a MBA. I already have a Linux desktop for powerful computing; my on-the-go computing solution should prioritize lightness and portability.
- ffsm8 2y agoHave fun using a single screen
- nozzlegear 2y agoThe latest MacBook Air can use two external screens.
- Toutouxc 2y agoI really wish the first two Apple Silicon Airs didn't have this weird limit. Not because I need to connect two displays to mine — almost no one actually does. But even though since the M1 it's been an amazing, futuristic, freakishly thin, light, and glorious powerhouse of a laptop, someone always has to bring up this stupid crap whenever it's being discussed.
- Aperocky 2y agoGot my M1 in 2020 when it first launched and was drawn by the 15 inch air due to the screen real estate, but have literally no other reason to replace it. Couldn't say the same for any other 4 years old laptop.
- dzhiurgis 2y ago15” Air resolution is lower than 16” pro. And 15” before had same resolution as 16”. Ao going back to 15” would be a significant decline.
- dagmx 2y agoThey just said they prioritize portability and your retort is over the number of non-portable external monitors that can be hooked up, and an outdated number at that?
- ksec 2y agoPrecisely because they want to reduce thickness they will need higher battery density and use a thinner battery with the same battery life. Not to mention the battery will last much longer than current battery.
- maximus-decimus 2y agoWill they spend the money on this kind of tech for the thinness though?
- gessha 2y agoAbsolutely. I can already imagine the presentation graph slide comparing laptop battery capacity, thinness, environmental impact, etc. They can throw some right to repair stuff too just for the fun of it. “See, we’ve always cared for the consumer and always supported repairability”.
- kmeisthax 2y agoIn the case of the iPad, the thinness (and corresponding weight reduction) makes it more usable as a tablet, especially with the 13" model. It also fixed - or at least, mitigated - a few problems with the keyboard attachment. Granted, that attachment shouldn't exist, but that's a different problem whose root cause is "Apple expected the iPad to replace the Mac like the Mac replaced the Apple ][".
- cogman10 2y agoMy best guess is that these cells might be more bulky than can be put into a laptop. It could also be a planned obsolescence thing.
- ksec 2y agoI dont understand it either and wish if those how knew, while may not have the time to explain it but just give me some pointers or direction. I would have thought, as shown by Chinese EV maker it may be better to have bulky larger cheap battery in an EV intended for long range driving, than an expensive long range EV because of solid sate. On the other hand Solid State Battery on Smartphone could have been a major marketing point for many consumer.
- akmarinov 2y ago100 kWh batteries are charged with 350kW chargers for 9 minutes. Do people have the equivalent to charge laptops with the respective speed of what they’ll need to match the 350?
- manmal 2y agoYou can cleanly divide by 1000 and you get exactly the capacity of a 16“ MacBook Pro. So you‘d need a 350 Watt charger (ca like a vacuum cleaner) to charge that MBPro in 9 minutes, if it supported that kind of throughput. Such a charger might need air cooling, and would probably not be as portable. But certainly doable.
- mook 2y agoRandomly looking at Lenovo's site (sorting by highest price) shows they already have 330W chargers; that's not very far off. https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/gx21m50608 https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/gx21m50608
- manmal 2y agoAmazing how small GAN has made these things.
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- sudosysgen 2y agoI used to lug around a 250W charger for my gaming laptop (needed the GPU at uni), it's actually not that bad. No need for air cooling.
- p1mrx 2y ago100 kWh / 350 kW = 17 minutes 100 kWh / 9 minutes = 667 kW
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- everdrive 2y agoEVs are already far too expensive. At least in the short term this would only be a niche product.
- vhcr 2y agoBatteries don't have bigger capacities because people want to carry them inside of planes, which have a limit of 100Wh, the MacBook Pro has a 99.6Wh battery.
- r00fus 2y agoThis regulation is only because specific lithium battery chemistries like NMC or Li-Polymer. Once proven safer chemistries like LFP or sodium-ion are used more commonly in laptops (including SSBs like this Samsung one) then regulation should shift to accommodate. That said, who really needs over 100Wh of battery when most long haul flights have plugs available?
- whamlastxmas 2y agoPeople use laptops without chargers outside planes too, and processing intensive stuff drains batteries very quickly
- brookst 2y agoTrue, but who would buy a laptop that could never be taken on a plane?
- viewtransform 2y agoPeople with lengthy jail sentences ?
- hagbard_c 2y agoPeople who take trains instead of planes (like me), people who are off-grid, etc. There is a market albeit a smaller one than the main stream market. It might be a good market to launch these things for testing purposes.
- bagels 2y agoIt took decades to allow electronic devices to be used in flight, despite no evidence that they would cause a problem. I wouldn't count on battery chemistry changes leading to changes in FAA rules very quickly.
- mppm 2y agoI guess they will... once they actually have them. The batteries probably only exist in the lab at this point, but what do execs get paid for if not pretty roadmaps?
- goodSteveramos 2y agoBecause the cost is probably closer to $10,000/kWh. Makes sense for a $1,000,000 supercar. Fundamentally all the new battery chemistries have serious underreported problems that make them dead-on-arrival. Either short cycle life (nanowire) or impractical manufacturing (solid state) or middling performance versus LiPo (sodium). Hopefully some of these may find niche applications where their advantages outweigh their problems but don’t expect more than a 50% improvement in density over the next 20 years.
- rasz 2y ago>$1,000,000 supercar which one of 'Hyundai, Stellantis, and General Motors' makes any supercars?