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> What is the point of "No-car"? I really don't understand that, especially seen the more pressing issues that cities are facing: insecurity, people defecating

> What is the point of "No-car"? I really don't understand that, especially seen the more pressing issues that cities are facing: insecurity, people defecating in the streets (yup, it is an issue), "zombies" under the Tranq drug, homeless people, etc. My car happens to isolate me very well from all that. Before you'll get me to use public transport, you better first create a safe and clean city.

sagarm 2y ago
Cars aren't clean or safe, so that's step one.
- seanmcdirmid 2y ago
  As long as I don’t have a passenger high on fent who is waving a knife at me, a car is already a step up from the D line (a bus). I still take the bus anyway (parking is tough in downtown Seattle), but I can’t really deny the issue.
  - sagarm 2y ago
    I get what you're saying, but every instance where I've felt physically threatened in my neighborhood is from malicious or incompetent drivers -- I often yield my right of way when walking because I feel I'll be injured otherwise. Drivers really are the greatest menace in the city as far as I'm concerned. The other issues are both rarer and don't make me feel physically threatened. Though of course nobody wants to see human suffering.
    - seanmcdirmid 2y ago
      Seattle has been going through a rough spot with its drug addiction/homeless problem, which has basically ruined a lot of things that we took for granted a decade or two ago. It also doesn’t really make sense: it doesn’t take a lot to just remove people from a bus if they take out a knife, yet the city/county has deprioritized public safety, which tips the safety advantage back to car travel. You are lot more likely to get murdered on a bus (or on Link or in a Link station after you get off the train) than in your own car, even if the risk of accident is higher.

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> What is the point of "No-car"? I really don't understand that, especially seen the more pressing issues that cities are facing: insecurity, people defecating

by TacticalCoder 2y ago

sagarm 2y ago
Cars aren't clean or safe, so that's step one.
- seanmcdirmid 2y ago
  As long as I don’t have a passenger high on fent who is waving a knife at me, a car is already a step up from the D line (a bus). I still take the bus anyway (parking is tough in downtown Seattle), but I can’t really deny the issue.
  - sagarm 2y ago
    I get what you're saying, but every instance where I've felt physically threatened in my neighborhood is from malicious or incompetent drivers -- I often yield my right of way when walking because I feel I'll be injured otherwise. Drivers really are the greatest menace in the city as far as I'm concerned. The other issues are both rarer and don't make me feel physically threatened. Though of course nobody wants to see human suffering.
    - seanmcdirmid 2y ago
      Seattle has been going through a rough spot with its drug addiction/homeless problem, which has basically ruined a lot of things that we took for granted a decade or two ago. It also doesn’t really make sense: it doesn’t take a lot to just remove people from a bus if they take out a knife, yet the city/county has deprioritized public safety, which tips the safety advantage back to car travel. You are lot more likely to get murdered on a bus (or on Link or in a Link station after you get off the train) than in your own car, even if the risk of accident is higher.