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Ladybird and Serenity have a policy of not allowing any sort of expression of or reference to someone's sexuality or gender identity, as this is deemed "divisiv
by rvense 2y ago
Ladybird and Serenity have a policy of not allowing any sort of expression of or reference to someone's sexuality or gender identity, as this is deemed "divisive" or "politicising". Rust does... not have that.
- nequo 2y ago> not allowing any sort of expression of or reference to someone's … gender identity So the use of he/she is banned by those projects?
- rvense 2y agoNot like that. A pull request that replaced "he" in documentation with "they" was closed with the comment "This project is not the place to advocate your personal politics".
- jeltz 2y agoYeah, that was a pointlessly rude way to close the PR since it assumed ill intent. But tiny pull requests like that are rarely helpful since the one reviewing it will need to check what pronouns are used in the rest of the documentation to make sure the style is consistent so they just create busywork for maintainers even though those PRs are almost always done in good faith. I definitely do not think he was leading by example here. Making assumptions aabout why people do PRs and denying them based on those is a good way to create a toxic community.
- __float 2y ago> the one reviewing it will need to check what pronouns are used in the rest of the documentation to make sure the style is consistent Huh? Nothing in a software project will ever be perfect – code or docs — so this doesn't seem like a reasonable expectation. It's always a process of gradual improvement, and that can be true for a change like this too.
- spencerchubb 2y agoif that is their stated policy, they don't seem to follow it very well since they use 'he' in documentation
- jenadine 2y agoNot anymore https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/pull/24648 https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/pull/24648
- arresin 2y agoYou are purposefully taking a wild assumption to frame his character a certain way because of your politics. This is literally the kind of toxic divisiveness he’s talking about. Can’t you see how this makes people want to have nothing to do with this issue?
- rvense 2y agoYou are right. I don't in fact know if that's what he means by calling the Rust community "toxic". I've never seen anything like a bigoted word attributed to Andreas, by all appearences he is one of the most caring people in open source, and his character is obviously a big part of Serenity's success in attracting followers and contributers. But he does seem to be very insistent on "having nothing to do with the issue" (of inclusivity). His stated goal is to make a welcoming and inclusive environment, and ultimately I just think letting Pixie Ada put pride flags in xer bio will be more succesful at that than a don't ask, don't tell policy that seems mostly geared to not bother people who happen to fit in by default.
- LoganDark 2y ago[flagged]
- Hizonner 2y ago[flagged]
- LoganDark 2y agoLots of people will react toxically when they perceive a threat. Either way, we don't even know if this is what "toxic" was referring to.
- mardifoufs 2y agoA community can be trans inclusive an toxic. Toxicity doesn't end at being queer or pro queer.