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> I can understand the Kremlin's concern and need for higher security What concern exactly? They have a very vague statement that Signal doesn't follow "local

> I can understand the Kremlin's concern and need for higher security What concern exactly? They have a very vague statement that Signal doesn't follow "local laws related to anti-terrorist operations". They haven't given any other details. So I am sorry, but what are you on about?

kornhole 2y ago
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- rcxdude 2y ago
  Pretty much everything about the US's actions regarding Russia and Ukraine indicate the opposite: they want to end the war and Russia's ambitions of expansion without a regime change (mostly because nukes: Putin getting close to losing power is one of the plausible scenarios where he would use them, to say nothing of whoever's in the mix in the power vacuum that will exist afterwards). If they just wanted Russia to collapse they'd be sending way more stuff to Ukraine (who is A-OK with Russia collapsing if it gets them off their land) as opposed to drip-feeding it in. NATO is far from a unified block in this regard: some members (generally the ones bordering Ukraine) are pretty aligned with Ukraine and basically sending everything they can, some are even more nervous about escalation than the US.
  - kornhole 2y ago
    Try researching these: 1. When was the last time Biden or anybody in the administration tried talking to the Kremlin to use diplomacy to end the conflict? 2. Try finding any evidence that Russia wants to expand its federation into Europe. Russia is twice the size of the US with half the population. They have $81T of resources in the ground. They don't need any more land. They need people.
    - rcxdude 2y ago
      What diplomacy would you suggest, given the other goal of "Russia cannot gain anything from the war in Ukraine"? Russia has made blantently clear with their war in Ukraine that they want the good old USSR back, and I (and most of the population of Eastern Europe) have little faith they'd stop there. That's the reason Ukraine is getting so much support: if Russia gets even a little bit more land from this war, they'll just try again. They got Crimea basically for free and they took that as a signal they could keep going. Why would they stop taking land if no-one bothers to stop them? And, yeah, duh. I would suggest, if they want people, that they treat their population with some respect so that fertility rates aren't in the ground, they don't have a massive brain drain as everyone tries to leave, maybe some people might want to immigrate, and oh yeah, maybe don't have a war which absolutely decimates their population of young men? Russia could be so much better if they sorted their own shit out before making it everyone else's problem, but that would involve Putin loosening his grip on power.
      - kornhole 2y ago
        I suggest maintaining a neutral buffer zone between NATO and RF by not bringing Ukraine and other bordering nations into NATO. You found zero evidence that Russia wants to expand its borders. Although the communist party is the second largest in RF, its influence is relatively small and sees little likelihood of gaining significant power to restore the USSR. The Donbas is populated mainly by Russian people who had been in a civil war with western Ukraine since the 2014 Maidan coup. They wanted to join the Russian Federation for years, but Russia did not want that until the situation became untenable. Russia's economy is growing faster than the US and Europe. Perhaps that will encourage immigration. RF is implementing many policies to aid families to have more children and encourage controlled immigration. They could use about another billion people in that vast and rich territory.
        tryauuum 2y ago
        I didn't read the whole thread but this seems incorrect to me: You found zero evidence that Russia wants to expand its borders doesn't acquiring Crimea speak against that? Or you don't consider it an expansion of borders because people speak russian there?
    - aguaviva 2y ago
      Try finding any evidence that Russia wants to expand its federation into Europe. Ukraine is in Europe, last we checked, and Putin is openly seeking to expand the Federation's borders there as we speak. They don't need any more land. The regime's core delusion is that it needs a "sphere of privileged influence" (in its own words) over former Soviet republics, and Eastern Slavic peoples in particular. And that it has a right to assert control over pretty much any piece of land the Russian Empire has ever sat on for any length of time, as it sees fit.

kornhole 2y ago

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rcxdude 2y ago
Pretty much everything about the US's actions regarding Russia and Ukraine indicate the opposite: they want to end the war and Russia's ambitions of expansion without a regime change (mostly because nukes: Putin getting close to losing power is one of the plausible scenarios where he would use them, to say nothing of whoever's in the mix in the power vacuum that will exist afterwards). If they just wanted Russia to collapse they'd be sending way more stuff to Ukraine (who is A-OK with Russia collapsing if it gets them off their land) as opposed to drip-feeding it in. NATO is far from a unified block in this regard: some members (generally the ones bordering Ukraine) are pretty aligned with Ukraine and basically sending everything they can, some are even more nervous about escalation than the US.
- kornhole 2y ago
  Try researching these: 1. When was the last time Biden or anybody in the administration tried talking to the Kremlin to use diplomacy to end the conflict? 2. Try finding any evidence that Russia wants to expand its federation into Europe. Russia is twice the size of the US with half the population. They have $81T of resources in the ground. They don't need any more land. They need people.
  - rcxdude 2y ago
    What diplomacy would you suggest, given the other goal of "Russia cannot gain anything from the war in Ukraine"? Russia has made blantently clear with their war in Ukraine that they want the good old USSR back, and I (and most of the population of Eastern Europe) have little faith they'd stop there. That's the reason Ukraine is getting so much support: if Russia gets even a little bit more land from this war, they'll just try again. They got Crimea basically for free and they took that as a signal they could keep going. Why would they stop taking land if no-one bothers to stop them? And, yeah, duh. I would suggest, if they want people, that they treat their population with some respect so that fertility rates aren't in the ground, they don't have a massive brain drain as everyone tries to leave, maybe some people might want to immigrate, and oh yeah, maybe don't have a war which absolutely decimates their population of young men? Russia could be so much better if they sorted their own shit out before making it everyone else's problem, but that would involve Putin loosening his grip on power.
    - kornhole 2y ago
      I suggest maintaining a neutral buffer zone between NATO and RF by not bringing Ukraine and other bordering nations into NATO. You found zero evidence that Russia wants to expand its borders. Although the communist party is the second largest in RF, its influence is relatively small and sees little likelihood of gaining significant power to restore the USSR. The Donbas is populated mainly by Russian people who had been in a civil war with western Ukraine since the 2014 Maidan coup. They wanted to join the Russian Federation for years, but Russia did not want that until the situation became untenable. Russia's economy is growing faster than the US and Europe. Perhaps that will encourage immigration. RF is implementing many policies to aid families to have more children and encourage controlled immigration. They could use about another billion people in that vast and rich territory.
      - tryauuum 2y ago
        I didn't read the whole thread but this seems incorrect to me: You found zero evidence that Russia wants to expand its borders doesn't acquiring Crimea speak against that? Or you don't consider it an expansion of borders because people speak russian there?
  - aguaviva 2y ago
    Try finding any evidence that Russia wants to expand its federation into Europe. Ukraine is in Europe, last we checked, and Putin is openly seeking to expand the Federation's borders there as we speak. They don't need any more land. The regime's core delusion is that it needs a "sphere of privileged influence" (in its own words) over former Soviet republics, and Eastern Slavic peoples in particular. And that it has a right to assert control over pretty much any piece of land the Russian Empire has ever sat on for any length of time, as it sees fit.