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This whole Irish were not considered white thing is a myth people like to throw around, but it's just not true. Also, Greeks are Balkan, which is its own thing.

segasaturn 2y ago
It's not a myth, but the prescription was highly inconsistent. This is because there is no true definition for "whiteness" as race, ethnicity and culture are made up social constructs. For example, Arabs were officially considered white as recently as 1944[1]. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_whiteness_in_the_United_States#Racial_prerequisite_cases https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_whiteness_in_th...
- searealist 2y ago
  Did you even read the Irish Americans section? Roughly 60% is debunking the idea that they were ever considered non-white. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_whiteness_in_the_United_States#Irish_Americans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_whiteness_in_th...
orwin 2y ago
What I said: "Irish were seen as a subrace until WW1." What you said: "This whole Irish were not considered white thing is a myth people like to throw around, but it's just not true." I totally agree with you, but I've never said that. Don't strawman me?
- searealist 2y ago
  I guess I'm not sure what you mean by subrace, then? I am so used to hearing the "Italians and Irish were not considered to be white" nonsense for so long that that's what I thought you were saying.
  - orwin 2y ago
    They were supposed to be 'inferior', more violent, less intelligent (IQ tests 'proved' that, which prevented Irish immigrants to have leadership roles in the army). They were white, but not 'true' white, and like Italians, you have to protect your wives and your daughters from them (yeah, racists are essentialists, so don't be surprised if the only consistency in their argumentation is their illogical fears tinted by a simplistic view of the world)
    - searealist 2y ago
      Ahh, so you are perpetuating that myth.

segasaturn 2y ago

It's not a myth, but the prescription was highly inconsistent. This is because there is no true definition for "whiteness" as race, ethnicity and culture are made up social constructs. For example, Arabs were officially considered white as recently as 1944[1]. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_whiteness_in_the_United_States#Racial_prerequisite_cases https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_whiteness_in_th...

searealist 2y ago
Did you even read the Irish Americans section? Roughly 60% is debunking the idea that they were ever considered non-white. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_whiteness_in_the_United_States#Irish_Americans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_whiteness_in_th...

orwin 2y ago

What I said: "Irish were seen as a subrace until WW1." What you said: "This whole Irish were not considered white thing is a myth people like to throw around, but it's just not true." I totally agree with you, but I've never said that. Don't strawman me?

searealist 2y ago
I guess I'm not sure what you mean by subrace, then? I am so used to hearing the "Italians and Irish were not considered to be white" nonsense for so long that that's what I thought you were saying.
- orwin 2y ago
  They were supposed to be 'inferior', more violent, less intelligent (IQ tests 'proved' that, which prevented Irish immigrants to have leadership roles in the army). They were white, but not 'true' white, and like Italians, you have to protect your wives and your daughters from them (yeah, racists are essentialists, so don't be surprised if the only consistency in their argumentation is their illogical fears tinted by a simplistic view of the world)
  - searealist 2y ago
    Ahh, so you are perpetuating that myth.