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Maybe this will help you understand better. The following groups are cultural and genetic clusters. Europeans contain ( Northwest Europeans contain (
by searealist 2y ago
Maybe this will help you understand better. The following groups are cultural and genetic clusters.
Europeans contain (
Northwest Europeans contain (
Germans,
Irish,
English,
...,
),
Eastern Europeans contain (
Russian,
Polish,
Ukrainian,
...,
),
Southern Europeans contain (
Italians,
Spanish,
...,
)
)
Now, imagine you are walking a graph. English to German is a short trip, English to Ukrainian is farther, and English to Latino is even farther (as it's not European).
- YawningAngel 2y agoThese are constructed categories that a given person might agree or disagree with. You are free to identify cultural similarities between an Andalusian and a Neapolitan, but that does not make the change the fact that those two people may view themselves as coming from entirely disparate cultural and linguistic backgrounds. For example, your decision to categorise "Latino" as non-European is very arbitrary. There are lots of Latinos who speak European languages and participate in European cultural traditions.
- searealist 2y agoDo you think the average Andalusian and Neopolitan would disagree that all Southern Europeans share more culture and genetics than themselves and a German or Russian?
- anthk 2y agoAnd what's a typical milk-white Asturian/Galician with freckels for you? An alien? Wait until you find towns in Andalusia with far more blondes than in London, because, oh wait, something-someting Reconquista happened from North to South. To a mid-Northern Spaniard, Flamenco it's as alien to us as it would be for a Central European, because our folk traditions aren't Morisco/Gypsy at all. For instance, Northern Spain has Celtic culture with bagpipes, rain, green fields, cider and music pretty much non-Flamenco. Fast, uplifting and uprooted on happiness instead of sorrow and despair.
- searealist 2y agoThat doesn't answer my question. It also confuses clustering with perfect homogeneity.
- anthk 2y agoAh, so my answer rooted to the ground isn't valid? Ok, keep being deluded. For most Spaniards Andalusia it's anything else with alien culture, totally alien to the Northern (and even the Castilles, as Castilians are infamous of being reservated and rural-calm as they were basically the Farmlandia of Spain) and if you tried to picture Galicia with some flamenco guitarist we would stare at you as it you had a stroke.
- searealist 2y agoYou continue to argue against a strawman.
- orwin 2y agoThis is extremely recent. Irish were seen as a subrace until WW1. Any 19th century racist would absolutely disagree with your message. In the same way, putting Ukrainian with turkomongol and genoese roots in the same bucket as Russians, or as Poles would be clearly decried by 19th century racists. As lumping Italians and Spaniards, why not, do you lump Greeks in that bucket too? Because 19th century racists wouldn't. Also english are way, way closer to Spaniards culturally and genetically than eastern Europeans. And Irish and Scotts are way closer culturally to Spaniards than Germans. I never saw any German delegation in an interceltic festival, whereas Galicia is a recurrent participant.
- searealist 2y agoThis whole Irish were not considered white thing is a myth people like to throw around, but it's just not true. Also, Greeks are Balkan, which is its own thing.
- segasaturn 2y agoIt's not a myth, but the prescription was highly inconsistent. This is because there is no true definition for "whiteness" as race, ethnicity and culture are made up social constructs. For example, Arabs were officially considered white as recently as 1944[1]. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_whiteness_in_the_United_States#Racial_prerequisite_cases https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_whiteness_in_th...
- searealist 2y agoDid you even read the Irish Americans section? Roughly 60% is debunking the idea that they were ever considered non-white. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_whiteness_in_the_United_States#Irish_Americans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_whiteness_in_th...
- orwin 2y agoWhat I said: "Irish were seen as a subrace until WW1." What you said: "This whole Irish were not considered white thing is a myth people like to throw around, but it's just not true." I totally agree with you, but I've never said that. Don't strawman me?