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Linked in the article, but it looks like Black, Asian and other races will stay relatively stable in terms of % of population all the way to 2050. And the main

Linked in the article, but it looks like Black, Asian and other races will stay relatively stable in terms of % of population all the way to 2050. And the main changes will be that the % of Hispanic population will go up (immigration + higher fertile age population) and % of White population will go down (mostly aging). It's not as much as % of "people of color" going up as it is framed. https://www.brookings.edu/articles/census-shows-americas-post-2020-population-is-driven-by-diversity-especially-among-the-young/ https://www.brookings.edu/articles/census-shows-americas-pos...

pessimizer 2y ago
Both liberals and conservatives have determined that the two races are "white" and "whatever." More Hispanics means that the "whatever" group is rising. What I wonder is if they've accounted for the lobbying of various subgroups to leave the "white" category, such as Hispanics themselves did in the late 60s - early 70s (speaking Spanish is neither a race nor a single culture.) Every time a former white person declares themselves Latino (or MENA for that matter), the ratio changes.
- deleted 2y ago
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- katzinsky 2y ago
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  - segasaturn 2y ago
    > just Irish/British/German which are practically the same two ethnic groups Despite wanting to go "back to the way things were", you are viewing that past through a distorted modern lens. Prior to the 20th century someone who was English would see themselves as being from a completely different civilization as a German. Eastern immigrants such as from Poland or Ukraine were treated as non-white invaders. Even the way you just lump the English and Irish together is a very big no-no to this day.
    - searealist 2y ago
      Maybe this will help you understand better. The following groups are cultural and genetic clusters. Europeans contain ( Northwest Europeans contain ( Germans, Irish, English, ..., ), Eastern Europeans contain ( Russian, Polish, Ukrainian, ..., ), Southern Europeans contain ( Italians, Spanish, ..., ) ) Now, imagine you are walking a graph. English to German is a short trip, English to Ukrainian is farther, and English to Latino is even farther (as it's not European).
      - YawningAngel 2y ago
        These are constructed categories that a given person might agree or disagree with. You are free to identify cultural similarities between an Andalusian and a Neapolitan, but that does not make the change the fact that those two people may view themselves as coming from entirely disparate cultural and linguistic backgrounds. For example, your decision to categorise "Latino" as non-European is very arbitrary. There are lots of Latinos who speak European languages and participate in European cultural traditions.
        searealist 2y ago
        Do you think the average Andalusian and Neopolitan would disagree that all Southern Europeans share more culture and genetics than themselves and a German or Russian?
        anthk 2y ago
        And what's a typical milk-white Asturian/Galician with freckels for you? An alien? Wait until you find towns in Andalusia with far more blondes than in London, because, oh wait, something-someting Reconquista happened from North to South. To a mid-Northern Spaniard, Flamenco it's as alien to us as it would be for a Central European, because our folk traditions aren't Morisco/Gypsy at all. For instance, Northern Spain has Celtic culture with bagpipes, rain, green fields, cider and music pretty much non-Flamenco. Fast, uplifting and uprooted on happiness instead of sorrow and despair.
  - hnpolicestate 2y ago
    What aggravates me in particular is everything being made spicy as default. I like mild pub food too lol.
  - anthk 2y ago
    >practically the same Wait until you find mid-Northern Spaniards from the Cantabric mountain ranges where pretty much Celtic/Germanic descendants similar to Irishmen and Mid-North Frenchmen. When you hit Asturias, León, Cantabria, Burgos... everything you pretended to know about Spaniards/Hispanics goes out of the window.
  - WheatMillington 2y ago
    Tell me more about how America is a "homeland" to white people.
    - katzinsky 2y ago
      No. Britain was our homeland but the same thing has been done there, so as I said we can't just leave.
    - hnpolicestate 2y ago
      The United States was 80%+ White from 1776-1980. It was a White "homeland" mathematically speaking until a political/economic decision was made to make it otherwise. Why is that controversial to point out? Motives abound?
  - RajT88 2y ago
    I've tried to understand what the heck you're talking about here in relation to the US, but it doesn't scan. Perhaps you could explain more in detail. I mean, Hispanics aren't pushing out Christianity and pub food... And they like Americans plenty. Side note: If your economy would otherwise be shrinking because of a shrinking population/labor pool, immigration is good.
    - katzinsky 2y ago
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      - RajT88 2y ago
        Ahhh replacement theory. Got it. You are one of those. ETA: anyone not following can read about it: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement
      - anthk 2y ago
        >es Hispanics absolutely have their own culture, their own religion, and their own politics. Which ones? They have several, from mega liberal to far right; and in religion you can have from Jews in Argentine to Catholics, Evangelicals, Buddhists and even die-hard Islamics. From cultures, 10% of Spain knows shit about each other. If any, they care aboud not just about their province, but their damn country. Then, an average Spaniard knows shit about what actually happens across the pond except major issues in the News. Seriously. That's like saying the Brits from Leicester are pushing the Utah Bible Belt into the Europeans. Thus, when you met a Hispanic, unless you know him well, you can't get an actual background at the first glance.
- slibhb 2y ago
  I'm "white" but neither side of my family was considered white when they came to the US. Hispanics will become "white," as will Asians (East Asians and Desis). The story of America will continue to be blacks getting left behind, and we'll continue to argue about what to do about it.
  - dyauspitr 2y ago
    East Asians and Indians won’t become “white”. They’ll just continue to grow more prosperous. By white do you mean “doing well”?
    - orwin 2y ago
      By that he means that Irish were considered by racists from 100 years ago a subrace of white, as were eastern European until the late 90s (that sentiment still exist in some places), and Italian were considered 'colored' until the 70s. Racism do not have any internal consistency, that's why I heavily judge the intelligence of those subscribing to it. Indians were 'black' until weren't in my country.
    - mistrial9 2y ago
      that is sort of funny to see, since people from India are "caucasians" by US terms .. this classification is also changing over time
  - mise_en_place 2y ago
    I think you're on to something here. There is definitely a much looser standard for whiteness in the United States. The one drop rule was used only w.r.t. former slaves. But the definition of whiteness in the United States seems to be much broader these days. Contrast that with Europe, where whiteness is a very strict category. This could partially explain the unrest that's going on in the UK. I saw a group of X users arguing with a British citizen with an Italian surname. They claimed that he was not really English (really what they were implying was, he wasn't white), even though his passport said so. I found it strange, because in the States we often consider Italian Americans to be white.
- pram 2y ago
  JFYI hispanic is actually listed as an "ethnicity" so you still have to pick white or whatever.
- jsbisviewtiful 2y ago
  > Both liberals and conservatives have determined that the two races are "white" and "whatever.“ That’s a broad generalization about what people believe.
Izkata 2y ago
> And the main changes will be that the % of Hispanic population will go up (immigration + higher fertile age population) and % of White population will go down (mostly aging). This is misleading, because it's not tracked like this on the US census. Hispanic is a separate question from race - people are "White Hispanic" or "Black Hispanic" or "(something) Hispanic", not just "Hispanic".
- mistrial9 2y ago
  useful exposition https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/09/05/who-is-hispanic/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/09/05/who-is-hi...
red012 2y ago
My understanding is domestic births are practically irrelevant compared to border crossings, the growth isn’t people being born here.
- xethos 2y ago
  Per the report [0] linked in TFA, your understanding is wrong. More than twice as many hispanics came from natural increases (~2.21 million), compared to net immigration (~0.94 million) [0] https://www.brookings.edu/articles/census-shows-americas-post-2020-population-is-driven-by-diversity-especially-among-the-young/?utm_campaign=Metro%20Update&utm_medium=email&utm_content=318370993&utm_source=hs_email https://www.brookings.edu/articles/census-shows-americas-pos...

pessimizer 2y ago

Both liberals and conservatives have determined that the two races are "white" and "whatever." More Hispanics means that the "whatever" group is rising. What I wonder is if they've accounted for the lobbying of various subgroups to leave the "white" category, such as Hispanics themselves did in the late 60s - early 70s (speaking Spanish is neither a race nor a single culture.) Every time a former white person declares themselves Latino (or MENA for that matter), the ratio changes.

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katzinsky 2y ago
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- segasaturn 2y ago
  > just Irish/British/German which are practically the same two ethnic groups Despite wanting to go "back to the way things were", you are viewing that past through a distorted modern lens. Prior to the 20th century someone who was English would see themselves as being from a completely different civilization as a German. Eastern immigrants such as from Poland or Ukraine were treated as non-white invaders. Even the way you just lump the English and Irish together is a very big no-no to this day.
  - searealist 2y ago
    Maybe this will help you understand better. The following groups are cultural and genetic clusters. Europeans contain ( Northwest Europeans contain ( Germans, Irish, English, ..., ), Eastern Europeans contain ( Russian, Polish, Ukrainian, ..., ), Southern Europeans contain ( Italians, Spanish, ..., ) ) Now, imagine you are walking a graph. English to German is a short trip, English to Ukrainian is farther, and English to Latino is even farther (as it's not European).
    - YawningAngel 2y ago
      These are constructed categories that a given person might agree or disagree with. You are free to identify cultural similarities between an Andalusian and a Neapolitan, but that does not make the change the fact that those two people may view themselves as coming from entirely disparate cultural and linguistic backgrounds. For example, your decision to categorise "Latino" as non-European is very arbitrary. There are lots of Latinos who speak European languages and participate in European cultural traditions.
      - searealist 2y ago
        Do you think the average Andalusian and Neopolitan would disagree that all Southern Europeans share more culture and genetics than themselves and a German or Russian?
        anthk 2y ago
        And what's a typical milk-white Asturian/Galician with freckels for you? An alien? Wait until you find towns in Andalusia with far more blondes than in London, because, oh wait, something-someting Reconquista happened from North to South. To a mid-Northern Spaniard, Flamenco it's as alien to us as it would be for a Central European, because our folk traditions aren't Morisco/Gypsy at all. For instance, Northern Spain has Celtic culture with bagpipes, rain, green fields, cider and music pretty much non-Flamenco. Fast, uplifting and uprooted on happiness instead of sorrow and despair.
- hnpolicestate 2y ago
  What aggravates me in particular is everything being made spicy as default. I like mild pub food too lol.
- anthk 2y ago
  >practically the same Wait until you find mid-Northern Spaniards from the Cantabric mountain ranges where pretty much Celtic/Germanic descendants similar to Irishmen and Mid-North Frenchmen. When you hit Asturias, León, Cantabria, Burgos... everything you pretended to know about Spaniards/Hispanics goes out of the window.
- WheatMillington 2y ago
  Tell me more about how America is a "homeland" to white people.
  - katzinsky 2y ago
    No. Britain was our homeland but the same thing has been done there, so as I said we can't just leave.
  - hnpolicestate 2y ago
    The United States was 80%+ White from 1776-1980. It was a White "homeland" mathematically speaking until a political/economic decision was made to make it otherwise. Why is that controversial to point out? Motives abound?
- RajT88 2y ago
  I've tried to understand what the heck you're talking about here in relation to the US, but it doesn't scan. Perhaps you could explain more in detail. I mean, Hispanics aren't pushing out Christianity and pub food... And they like Americans plenty. Side note: If your economy would otherwise be shrinking because of a shrinking population/labor pool, immigration is good.
  - katzinsky 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - RajT88 2y ago
      Ahhh replacement theory. Got it. You are one of those. ETA: anyone not following can read about it: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement
    - anthk 2y ago
      >es Hispanics absolutely have their own culture, their own religion, and their own politics. Which ones? They have several, from mega liberal to far right; and in religion you can have from Jews in Argentine to Catholics, Evangelicals, Buddhists and even die-hard Islamics. From cultures, 10% of Spain knows shit about each other. If any, they care aboud not just about their province, but their damn country. Then, an average Spaniard knows shit about what actually happens across the pond except major issues in the News. Seriously. That's like saying the Brits from Leicester are pushing the Utah Bible Belt into the Europeans. Thus, when you met a Hispanic, unless you know him well, you can't get an actual background at the first glance.
slibhb 2y ago
I'm "white" but neither side of my family was considered white when they came to the US. Hispanics will become "white," as will Asians (East Asians and Desis). The story of America will continue to be blacks getting left behind, and we'll continue to argue about what to do about it.
- dyauspitr 2y ago
  East Asians and Indians won’t become “white”. They’ll just continue to grow more prosperous. By white do you mean “doing well”?
  - orwin 2y ago
    By that he means that Irish were considered by racists from 100 years ago a subrace of white, as were eastern European until the late 90s (that sentiment still exist in some places), and Italian were considered 'colored' until the 70s. Racism do not have any internal consistency, that's why I heavily judge the intelligence of those subscribing to it. Indians were 'black' until weren't in my country.
  - mistrial9 2y ago
    that is sort of funny to see, since people from India are "caucasians" by US terms .. this classification is also changing over time
- mise_en_place 2y ago
  I think you're on to something here. There is definitely a much looser standard for whiteness in the United States. The one drop rule was used only w.r.t. former slaves. But the definition of whiteness in the United States seems to be much broader these days. Contrast that with Europe, where whiteness is a very strict category. This could partially explain the unrest that's going on in the UK. I saw a group of X users arguing with a British citizen with an Italian surname. They claimed that he was not really English (really what they were implying was, he wasn't white), even though his passport said so. I found it strange, because in the States we often consider Italian Americans to be white.
pram 2y ago
JFYI hispanic is actually listed as an "ethnicity" so you still have to pick white or whatever.
jsbisviewtiful 2y ago
> Both liberals and conservatives have determined that the two races are "white" and "whatever.“ That’s a broad generalization about what people believe.

Izkata 2y ago

> And the main changes will be that the % of Hispanic population will go up (immigration + higher fertile age population) and % of White population will go down (mostly aging). This is misleading, because it's not tracked like this on the US census. Hispanic is a separate question from race - people are "White Hispanic" or "Black Hispanic" or "(something) Hispanic", not just "Hispanic".

mistrial9 2y ago
useful exposition https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/09/05/who-is-hispanic/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/09/05/who-is-hi...

red012 2y ago

My understanding is domestic births are practically irrelevant compared to border crossings, the growth isn’t people being born here.

xethos 2y ago
Per the report [0] linked in TFA, your understanding is wrong. More than twice as many hispanics came from natural increases (~2.21 million), compared to net immigration (~0.94 million) [0] https://www.brookings.edu/articles/census-shows-americas-post-2020-population-is-driven-by-diversity-especially-among-the-young/?utm_campaign=Metro%20Update&utm_medium=email&utm_content=318370993&utm_source=hs_email https://www.brookings.edu/articles/census-shows-americas-pos...