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They also wrapped their avionics cables in flammable tape and had to redo everything. The original, approved tape was still available, not a supply issue. I thi
by _joel 2y ago
They also wrapped their avionics cables in flammable tape and had to redo everything. The original, approved tape was still available, not a supply issue. I think that is pretty telling.
- xattt 2y agoInflammable means flammable? What a country! /s
- pfdietz 2y agoMy eyes get inflamed just reading the word, wondering where it could have come from.
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- taneq 2y agohttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contronym https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contronym :)
- dfxm12 2y agoA contronym is a word with two opposite meanings Inflammable has one meaning.
- Qwertious 2y ago"in" denotes the opposite, so "inflammable" has been used to mean not flammable due to expectations of grammatical consistency, and as a result the word is generally preferred to be avoided entirely nowadays in favor of either "flammable" (or "highly flammable"), or "nonflammable".
- jfengel 2y ago"Flammable" is such a weird word. Folk etymology would derive it from a transitive verb "to flame" that doesn't really exist (i.e. is not used, at least not that way). There is a transitive verb "to inflame", which is common. It derives from the noun "flame" and the prefix "in-", which when applied to nouns makes it a verb meaning "to cause [the noun]". They also ignored the common word "inflammation", which nobody thinks means "to stop your tissues from flaring up". None of that matters. People parsed "inflammable" differently and arrived at a new meaning. But I just find it odd that, while doing that parsing, they never considered that they never use the verb "to flame" in ordinary speech.
- xattt 2y agoInert occurs in the same “domain” of chemistry that suggests as nothing will occur to a given material.
- smcin 2y ago"Inert" goes further, it says the material is chemically unreactive. Whereas wood or fabric could be flammable or nonflammable depending on how it's coated or treated.
- ToValueFunfetti 2y ago'Flame' as in 'to catch fire' has some rare usage in English- "The main blaze of it is past, but a small thing would make it flame again" says Shakespeare. The more common usages are metaphorical- 'flame with passion', or more modern 'flamed them online', though I don't really see that usage much anymore either.
- carapace 2y agoAyuh, it's English, it doesn't have to make sense as long as it makes sense.
- lostlogin 2y ago> the word is generally preferred to be avoided entirely nowadays in favor of either "flammable" (or "highly flammable"), or "nonflammable Noninflammable for the maniacs.
- singleshot_ 2y agoThat's arguably a factoid.
- cnlevy 2y agoTo fix your word, just wrap it in-flammable tape. Not sure it's going to work, thats what they did with Starliner anyways.
- huppeldepup 2y agoWe should coax them into using coax instead.
- cdshn 2y agoDr. Nik. What a treasure. Speaking of former Soviet treasures, "hot4words" taught me why the "in" needed to be there. Etymologically speaking, that is. How time flies
- cdelsolar 2y agoYou think dr Nick Riviera is Soviet? He’s latino..
- xattt 2y agoA top Reddit comment suggests that his voice is Hank Azaria’s half-assed Ricky Ricardo (from I Love Lucy) impression.
- cdshn 2y agoI always have until this comment prompted me to watch it again. The last episode Ive watched of the Simpsons was S13E11, aired in 2002. So it's been a while (It was so stupid I realized they had long jumped the shark.)
- belter 2y ago> They also wrapped their avionics cables in flammable tape Who approved the design, and are the Engineers still employed by Boeing? Curious minds would like to know. Any way to trace this from public documentation?
- dotnet00 2y agoIIRC it was Kapton tape, technically what they did was fine, Kapton tape is commonly used for things like that. The problem was that they used it in places that might get hotter than the tape was rated for. Edit: Actually, looking around a bit, doesn't seem like there's any official mention of what kind of tape it was. Kapton tape seems to be the popular assumption but there's no evidence of it.
- belter 2y agoDigging a little bit on this, it seems it could be a one digit part number difference and fat fingering... P212. Silicon adhesive with up to 200 C insulation. https://www.nitto.com/au/en/products/e_parts/heat_resistant020/ https://www.nitto.com/au/en/products/e_parts/heat_resistant0... P213. Acrylic adhesive with up to 155 C insulation. https://www.nitto.com/au/en/products/e_parts/heat_resistant022/ https://www.nitto.com/au/en/products/e_parts/heat_resistant0... https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=gm840mthgoia6o31fcbjpspdi1&topic=56372.msg2510392#msg2510392 https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=gm840m...
- idiotsecant 2y agoIt might not even be a fat-finger, they might legitimately use 200C rated tape where it's needed and 155C tape where the higher spec is not needed. I am not a kapton expert but maybe higher temp ratings are less flexible or less resistant to hard vacuum or something like that. This might just be a plain old engineering QA issue. These are complex machines, and these sorts of things happen. I don't know how space-rated QA works, as I am but a lowly terrestrial engineer, but I imagine there are specs for each portion of the machine calling out electrical ratings, temperature ratings, vibration ratings, etc. If the spec definitions for that section of machine are bad it's hard to do proper QA against those specs.