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Such a bad regulations. Rideable luggage actually seems reasonably innovative. It sucks how the government often gets in the way of meaningful improvements. Fee

Such a bad regulations. Rideable luggage actually seems reasonably innovative. It sucks how the government often gets in the way of meaningful improvements. Feels like we are really headed for dark ages.

behringer 2y ago
Sure, except for the people they inevitably run into and/or injure. Sometimes it is better to restrict these things especially in public places.
- bilsbie 2y ago
  How does it work for bicycles?
  - mikepurvis 2y ago
    You don’t ride your bicycle through an airport terminal?
    - sandworm101 2y ago
      Why not? If it can be folded into a carry-on, draw a line between bicycle and wheelchair. I doubt many would object to a carry that turns into an electric wheelchair.
      - labster 2y ago
        This reminds me so much of the “no vehicles in the park” test.[1] We allow wheelchairs as a special case for people with mobility issues, not because we want bike lanes inside airports. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36453856 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36453856
    - samatman 2y ago
      I have actually, several times. I own a Brompton, which fits through the baggage X-ray and can be checked like a stroller at the gate. I've flown with it more than 12 times, and you had better believe I've ridden it in the terminal I only do this during late arrivals when the airport is almost empty, travel at a reasonable speed, and otherwise conduct myself like a civilized human being. On a bike. In the airport. It's great actually.
  - HarryHirsch 2y ago
    That's the point, isn't it, no one would ride a bicycle through a crowd, and if they did they'd ride very slowly and with extreme caution. But no such convention exists for animated suitcases.
  - lmm 2y ago
    Bicycles are known and understood by the people you're sharing spaces with; there are rules for where they're allowed and where they're not allowed and how they have to behave. The Japanese laws essentially allow ebikes that mimic bikes very closely to be used as bikes; otherwise you have to follow the rules for a scooter/moped (which is, after all, what you are).
    - erickhill 2y ago
      I wish more places were like this. I'll be riding my bike in a designated a bike lane (which is sometimes shared with pedestrians, dogs, etc.) with clearly marked speed limit signs of 15mph. That's plenty fast in general, but even more so in busy spots. And suddenly a near-silent e-bike will go flying past me (no "On your left," by the way) at speeds close to 30mph. Happens all of the time and is bafflingly reckless and arrogant. The way folks ride class 3 e-bikes they really should be treated as mopeds: put them on the roads like other motorized vehicles and licensed and (hopefully) forced to obey the rules of the road. Just my opinion, but they seem to break the spirit of being in the bike lane. The touristy day-cruiser eBikes like Lime bikes are fine.
      - ianburrell 2y ago
        Legally, in many places they are mopeds. The problem is that there is no way to enforce the law because they look like e-bikes. It takes checking model numbers of bike or components. Throttle is relatively easy to notice.
makeitdouble 2y ago
Japan has a very public problem of self powered vehicles running into people/stuff. With an aging population, drivers who mistakingly hit the accel when they meant to brake, thus running full missile mode into shops and sidewalks make the news almost every day("Prius missile") The last things people want is additional vehicles plowing forward at the push of a button, this time indoors and/or on the sidewalk from the start.
- throwaway2037 2y ago
  > drivers who mistakingly hit the accel when they meant to brake, thus running full missile mode into shops and sidewalks make the news almost every day "Almost every day"? Hmmm... I do not think so. Wouldn't the same happen in other countries with lots of Prius and old people, like the US?
  - teractiveodular 2y ago
    Yup, and it does, to the order of 16,000 times per year in the US alone: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_unintended_acceleration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_unintended_acceleration While I'm at it, here's the most famous Prius case in Japan, where a 87-year-old geriatric senior bureaucrat ran over and killed a mother and her child, but was treated with kid gloves until the husband whipped up enough public outrage to force the police to do something about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higashi-Ikebukuro_runaway_car_accident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higashi-Ikebukuro_runaway_car_...
    - 8note 2y ago
      That really isn't very many when you consider what the opportunities for failure are with hundreds of millions of people driving many hours a day
      - SapporoChris 2y ago
        Perhaps you were being hyperbolic, but there's not that many motor vehicles in Japan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_territories_by_motor_vehicles_per_capita https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_territor... Japan: 82,644,029 total. Motor vehicles include cars, vans, buses, freight, and other trucks, but exclude two-wheelers.
cqqxo4zV46cp 2y ago
No. This is your presumably tech-informed “any regulation that gets in the way of my passing intuition of what’s good is TERRIBLE!” Have you been in a city as dense as (parts of) Japan with completely unregulated use of vehicles like this? It gets quite bad quite quickly. I say this as someone that uses an electric scooter regularly. It’s quite easy for there to be a high enough concentration of idiots doing the wrong thing that it’s not worth it overall. Putting some rules around use is just the intuitive reaction to this, learned by countless jurisdictions worldwide.
- Dylan16807 2y ago
  "Does it need regulation?" and "Should it need more licensing than an electric bicycle?" are two entirely separate questions, and I agree that answering "yes" to the latter seems wrong.

behringer 2y ago

Sure, except for the people they inevitably run into and/or injure. Sometimes it is better to restrict these things especially in public places.

bilsbie 2y ago
How does it work for bicycles?
- mikepurvis 2y ago
  You don’t ride your bicycle through an airport terminal?
  - sandworm101 2y ago
    Why not? If it can be folded into a carry-on, draw a line between bicycle and wheelchair. I doubt many would object to a carry that turns into an electric wheelchair.
    - labster 2y ago
      This reminds me so much of the “no vehicles in the park” test.[1] We allow wheelchairs as a special case for people with mobility issues, not because we want bike lanes inside airports. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36453856 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36453856
  - samatman 2y ago
    I have actually, several times. I own a Brompton, which fits through the baggage X-ray and can be checked like a stroller at the gate. I've flown with it more than 12 times, and you had better believe I've ridden it in the terminal I only do this during late arrivals when the airport is almost empty, travel at a reasonable speed, and otherwise conduct myself like a civilized human being. On a bike. In the airport. It's great actually.
- HarryHirsch 2y ago
  That's the point, isn't it, no one would ride a bicycle through a crowd, and if they did they'd ride very slowly and with extreme caution. But no such convention exists for animated suitcases.
- lmm 2y ago
  Bicycles are known and understood by the people you're sharing spaces with; there are rules for where they're allowed and where they're not allowed and how they have to behave. The Japanese laws essentially allow ebikes that mimic bikes very closely to be used as bikes; otherwise you have to follow the rules for a scooter/moped (which is, after all, what you are).
  - erickhill 2y ago
    I wish more places were like this. I'll be riding my bike in a designated a bike lane (which is sometimes shared with pedestrians, dogs, etc.) with clearly marked speed limit signs of 15mph. That's plenty fast in general, but even more so in busy spots. And suddenly a near-silent e-bike will go flying past me (no "On your left," by the way) at speeds close to 30mph. Happens all of the time and is bafflingly reckless and arrogant. The way folks ride class 3 e-bikes they really should be treated as mopeds: put them on the roads like other motorized vehicles and licensed and (hopefully) forced to obey the rules of the road. Just my opinion, but they seem to break the spirit of being in the bike lane. The touristy day-cruiser eBikes like Lime bikes are fine.
    - ianburrell 2y ago
      Legally, in many places they are mopeds. The problem is that there is no way to enforce the law because they look like e-bikes. It takes checking model numbers of bike or components. Throttle is relatively easy to notice.

makeitdouble 2y ago

Japan has a very public problem of self powered vehicles running into people/stuff. With an aging population, drivers who mistakingly hit the accel when they meant to brake, thus running full missile mode into shops and sidewalks make the news almost every day("Prius missile") The last things people want is additional vehicles plowing forward at the push of a button, this time indoors and/or on the sidewalk from the start.

throwaway2037 2y ago
> drivers who mistakingly hit the accel when they meant to brake, thus running full missile mode into shops and sidewalks make the news almost every day "Almost every day"? Hmmm... I do not think so. Wouldn't the same happen in other countries with lots of Prius and old people, like the US?
- teractiveodular 2y ago
  Yup, and it does, to the order of 16,000 times per year in the US alone: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_unintended_acceleration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_unintended_acceleration While I'm at it, here's the most famous Prius case in Japan, where a 87-year-old geriatric senior bureaucrat ran over and killed a mother and her child, but was treated with kid gloves until the husband whipped up enough public outrage to force the police to do something about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higashi-Ikebukuro_runaway_car_accident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higashi-Ikebukuro_runaway_car_...
  - 8note 2y ago
    That really isn't very many when you consider what the opportunities for failure are with hundreds of millions of people driving many hours a day
    - SapporoChris 2y ago
      Perhaps you were being hyperbolic, but there's not that many motor vehicles in Japan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_territories_by_motor_vehicles_per_capita https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_territor... Japan: 82,644,029 total. Motor vehicles include cars, vans, buses, freight, and other trucks, but exclude two-wheelers.

cqqxo4zV46cp 2y ago

No. This is your presumably tech-informed “any regulation that gets in the way of my passing intuition of what’s good is TERRIBLE!” Have you been in a city as dense as (parts of) Japan with completely unregulated use of vehicles like this? It gets quite bad quite quickly. I say this as someone that uses an electric scooter regularly. It’s quite easy for there to be a high enough concentration of idiots doing the wrong thing that it’s not worth it overall. Putting some rules around use is just the intuitive reaction to this, learned by countless jurisdictions worldwide.

Dylan16807 2y ago
"Does it need regulation?" and "Should it need more licensing than an electric bicycle?" are two entirely separate questions, and I agree that answering "yes" to the latter seems wrong.