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Could you elaborate on that? Altering caloric intake and sleep schedule as a reaction to what? And how would you change between the two regimes? Increase/decrea

Could you elaborate on that? Altering caloric intake and sleep schedule as a reaction to what? And how would you change between the two regimes? Increase/decrease how much? etc.

mathgeek 2y ago
Not GP, but being on your feet all day will lead to needing more calories and sleep for proper recovery.
- jorvi 2y ago
  I can't speak to sleep, but you are wrong about the calories. Kurzgesagt has a really interesting video on it: https://youtu.be/lPrjP4A_X4s https://youtu.be/lPrjP4A_X4s The caloric part quite blew my mind. I know its not the most scientific source but digging deeper in it it does seem to match up.
  - aaronbrethorst 2y ago
    Herman Pontzer, an anthropology professor, talks quite a bit about a study he did on the calorie needs of people who are highly active on this podcast: https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-podcast/examining-energy-evolution-herman-pontzer-podcast-transcript-n1270125 https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-podcast/examining-energy-evoluti... Spoiler alert: you burn basically the same number of calories per day sitting on your butt as you do being quite physically active.
    - Alupis 2y ago
      > Herman Pontzer, an anthropology professor > you burn basically the same number of calories per day sitting on your butt as you do being quite physically active Can you provide more evidence for this, because it sounds entirely bogus. Perhaps you mean one's base metabolic rate? If you are physically active, you will consume more calories than sitting all day - because, you know, you are exerting yourself. Also, an anthropology professor is not a credible source on diet, exercise, fitness and health.
      - aaronbrethorst 2y ago
        https://www.science.org/content/article/scientist-busts-myths-about-how-humans-burn-calories-and-why https://www.science.org/content/article/scientist-busts-myth...
        Alupis 2y ago
        Your citation is to another piece by the same guy?
      - goostavos 2y ago
        HN is not the place to discuss diet, exercise, fitness, or health. Every thread is the same: the human body ackchuwally runs on magic. Diet is really, really complicated. In fact, nobody burns calories at all. The body just does it's own thing. Watch this Youtube video about it. They quote an anthropologist.
    - nh2 2y ago
      No, that's wrong. Somebody else burns the same number of calories being active as you do sitting. The article does not compare the the same individuals performing sitting vs. being active. It says that members of hunter-gatherer tribes such as the Hadza on average consume as much energy per day as US-Americans sitting on their butt at home. It says the Hadza's bodies have adapted to perform a more exhausting task with less energy expenditure than US-Americans need. But the same person (being a Hazda or US-American) will still need more energy being active than being inactive. (Source: Read from "here's what we know so far" in the article.) This is similar to finding that from N calories, an obese person may only run 1km while a professional marathon runner will run 5km. Edit: The Kurzgesagt video refers to the same Hazda people, and states that if you start working out after being sedentary for a while, you burn a lot more calories, until your body eventually adapts: https://youtu.be/lPrjP4A_X4s?feature=shared&t=212 https://youtu.be/lPrjP4A_X4s?feature=shared&t=212
      - I_am_uncreative 2y ago
        You can call us just "Americans". The US is unnecessary, thank you.
        warmlander99 2y ago
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        mc32 2y ago
        People from those continents call themselves south americans or north americans. Just as you have european and asians, people don't call themselves eurasian. Furthermore, both people from north and south america understand that american means a person from the USA. It doesn't refer to a person that may be from either one continent or the other. Also people don't call themselves western hemispherian or eastern hemispherian either. What does African refer to? a person from Nigeria and Zimbabwe or also a person from Egypt or Algeria, or are they north-africans? Are algerian-americans african-americans? Who is a 'new yorker', someone from manhattan, or new york city, or new york state? Sometimes things are blurry.
    - lostlogin 2y ago
      > you burn basically the same number of calories per day sitting on your butt as you do being quite physically active. I think I’m missing your point. How do you explain weight loss from exercising?
      - krapp 2y ago
        People tend to lose weight from dieting, not exercise. Unless you're training for a marathon or something, even vigorous exercise tends to burn so few calories that an hour at the gym can be erased with a single trip to McDonald's.
        lostlogin 2y ago
        Probably accurate. The amount of exercise needed for effect is less than a hour per day (less than 30 minutes if intensive) but this is a not done by most. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5556592/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5556592/ https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/exercise.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/exercise.htm
  - tomalbrc 2y ago
    What kind of reference is a "Kurzgesagt" video please? Not only has the this channel been in more controversies than needed, they seem to also spread missinformation
    - mkatx 2y ago
      As I understood, kurzgesagt is produced by scientific consensus from a large number of scientists. As a big fan, I'd be interested in hearing more about the controversy and misinformation.
      - a_dabbler 2y ago
        https://youtube.com/watch?v=uCuy1DaQzWI https://youtube.com/watch?v=uCuy1DaQzWI
    - jorvi 2y ago
      Someone already linked the actual research in this post thread a few hours before you responded, which you willfully ignored just to.. try to score some cheap contrarian points? I'm not going to engage with that, go troll somewhere else. Bye :)
  - _heimdall 2y ago
    This is one in a long list of reasons why I continue to view calories as a useless measure. I don't really give a damn about how much water I can heat up by burning my food, that's not how my digestion system works. It was a reasonable enough analog when we had a very rudimentary understanding both of what's really in food and how digestion and the metabolic process works, but its horribly outdated today. I can say having recently gone from coding at a desk 8 hours a day to working full-time on a farm with no heavy equipment, your food intake absolutely should increase. As long as I'm staying busy I can eat basically whatever I want and not feel sick or gain weight. That's not to imply that I don't still need to eat the right kinds of food as well, but volume and calorie count has no noticeable effect on me like it did when I had a sedentary job.
    - gopher_space 2y ago
      > I can say having recently gone from coding at a desk 8 hours a day to working full-time on a farm with no heavy equipment, your food intake absolutely should increase. Yeah I think people are missing the transition phase of this equation.
      - _heimdall 2y ago
        I can help fill in the blanks at least on my own anecdotal experience. What are the missing gaps you're interested in?

Could you elaborate on that? Altering caloric intake and sleep schedule as a reaction to what? And how would you change between the two regimes? Increase/decrease how much? etc.

mathgeek 2y ago

Not GP, but being on your feet all day will lead to needing more calories and sleep for proper recovery.

jorvi 2y ago
I can't speak to sleep, but you are wrong about the calories. Kurzgesagt has a really interesting video on it: https://youtu.be/lPrjP4A_X4s https://youtu.be/lPrjP4A_X4s The caloric part quite blew my mind. I know its not the most scientific source but digging deeper in it it does seem to match up.
- aaronbrethorst 2y ago
  Herman Pontzer, an anthropology professor, talks quite a bit about a study he did on the calorie needs of people who are highly active on this podcast: https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-podcast/examining-energy-evolution-herman-pontzer-podcast-transcript-n1270125 https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-podcast/examining-energy-evoluti... Spoiler alert: you burn basically the same number of calories per day sitting on your butt as you do being quite physically active.
  - Alupis 2y ago
    > Herman Pontzer, an anthropology professor > you burn basically the same number of calories per day sitting on your butt as you do being quite physically active Can you provide more evidence for this, because it sounds entirely bogus. Perhaps you mean one's base metabolic rate? If you are physically active, you will consume more calories than sitting all day - because, you know, you are exerting yourself. Also, an anthropology professor is not a credible source on diet, exercise, fitness and health.
    - aaronbrethorst 2y ago
      https://www.science.org/content/article/scientist-busts-myths-about-how-humans-burn-calories-and-why https://www.science.org/content/article/scientist-busts-myth...
      - Alupis 2y ago
        Your citation is to another piece by the same guy?
    - goostavos 2y ago
      HN is not the place to discuss diet, exercise, fitness, or health. Every thread is the same: the human body ackchuwally runs on magic. Diet is really, really complicated. In fact, nobody burns calories at all. The body just does it's own thing. Watch this Youtube video about it. They quote an anthropologist.
  - nh2 2y ago
    No, that's wrong. Somebody else burns the same number of calories being active as you do sitting. The article does not compare the the same individuals performing sitting vs. being active. It says that members of hunter-gatherer tribes such as the Hadza on average consume as much energy per day as US-Americans sitting on their butt at home. It says the Hadza's bodies have adapted to perform a more exhausting task with less energy expenditure than US-Americans need. But the same person (being a Hazda or US-American) will still need more energy being active than being inactive. (Source: Read from "here's what we know so far" in the article.) This is similar to finding that from N calories, an obese person may only run 1km while a professional marathon runner will run 5km. Edit: The Kurzgesagt video refers to the same Hazda people, and states that if you start working out after being sedentary for a while, you burn a lot more calories, until your body eventually adapts: https://youtu.be/lPrjP4A_X4s?feature=shared&t=212 https://youtu.be/lPrjP4A_X4s?feature=shared&t=212
    - I_am_uncreative 2y ago
      You can call us just "Americans". The US is unnecessary, thank you.
      - warmlander99 2y ago
        [flagged]
        mc32 2y ago
        People from those continents call themselves south americans or north americans. Just as you have european and asians, people don't call themselves eurasian. Furthermore, both people from north and south america understand that american means a person from the USA. It doesn't refer to a person that may be from either one continent or the other. Also people don't call themselves western hemispherian or eastern hemispherian either. What does African refer to? a person from Nigeria and Zimbabwe or also a person from Egypt or Algeria, or are they north-africans? Are algerian-americans african-americans? Who is a 'new yorker', someone from manhattan, or new york city, or new york state? Sometimes things are blurry.
  - lostlogin 2y ago
    > you burn basically the same number of calories per day sitting on your butt as you do being quite physically active. I think I’m missing your point. How do you explain weight loss from exercising?
    - krapp 2y ago
      People tend to lose weight from dieting, not exercise. Unless you're training for a marathon or something, even vigorous exercise tends to burn so few calories that an hour at the gym can be erased with a single trip to McDonald's.
      - lostlogin 2y ago
        Probably accurate. The amount of exercise needed for effect is less than a hour per day (less than 30 minutes if intensive) but this is a not done by most. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5556592/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5556592/ https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/exercise.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/exercise.htm
- tomalbrc 2y ago
  What kind of reference is a "Kurzgesagt" video please? Not only has the this channel been in more controversies than needed, they seem to also spread missinformation
  - mkatx 2y ago
    As I understood, kurzgesagt is produced by scientific consensus from a large number of scientists. As a big fan, I'd be interested in hearing more about the controversy and misinformation.
    - a_dabbler 2y ago
      https://youtube.com/watch?v=uCuy1DaQzWI https://youtube.com/watch?v=uCuy1DaQzWI
  - jorvi 2y ago
    Someone already linked the actual research in this post thread a few hours before you responded, which you willfully ignored just to.. try to score some cheap contrarian points? I'm not going to engage with that, go troll somewhere else. Bye :)
- _heimdall 2y ago
  This is one in a long list of reasons why I continue to view calories as a useless measure. I don't really give a damn about how much water I can heat up by burning my food, that's not how my digestion system works. It was a reasonable enough analog when we had a very rudimentary understanding both of what's really in food and how digestion and the metabolic process works, but its horribly outdated today. I can say having recently gone from coding at a desk 8 hours a day to working full-time on a farm with no heavy equipment, your food intake absolutely should increase. As long as I'm staying busy I can eat basically whatever I want and not feel sick or gain weight. That's not to imply that I don't still need to eat the right kinds of food as well, but volume and calorie count has no noticeable effect on me like it did when I had a sedentary job.
  - gopher_space 2y ago
    > I can say having recently gone from coding at a desk 8 hours a day to working full-time on a farm with no heavy equipment, your food intake absolutely should increase. Yeah I think people are missing the transition phase of this equation.
    - _heimdall 2y ago
      I can help fill in the blanks at least on my own anecdotal experience. What are the missing gaps you're interested in?