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Had a recruiter call with Twitter a few months ago. Mandatory in office 5 days per week. Among other things, an hour commute both ways to work was not acceptabl
by janalsncm 2y ago
Had a recruiter call with Twitter a few months ago. Mandatory in office 5 days per week. Among other things, an hour commute both ways to work was not acceptable.
Maybe they will have better luck in Santa Clara.
I don’t buy any of the flamebait reasons for leaving SF. Reason 1 is money and reason 2 is talent pool.
- sleepybrett 2y agoI mean reason #1 is probably that they are getting evicted right? Didn't elon stop paying rent?
- warkdarrior 2y agoPaying rent is a woke mind virus, so Elon would never go for that. Fight the oppression!
- SlightlyLeftPad 2y agoLike just buy twitter, then you won’t have to pay rent. - Elon probably
- seizethecheese 2y agoI’ve had several meetings, either in Twitter office or around it, and the street scene is very bad in that part of SF. If the claim is that this is a motivation for the move, it certainly passes the sniff test for me.
- JS-Sound 2y ago[flagged]
- bastardoperator 2y agoSo you've been able to gauge life and the street scene in SF based on several meetings? That's super interesting. I would argue the Embarcadero is fairly nice and I live here, but what do I know.
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- janalsncm 2y agoI visited Fisherman’s Wharf last year after dark and it was pretty poorly lit and not that clean. Maybe for a company where employees are expected be “extremely hardcore” (i.e. long hours) that is a consideration. (Although if you’re truly hardcore you don’t care what the street looks like, you sleep under your desk.)
- er4hn 2y agoThis is disingenuous. Twitter is located in Civic Center, which is a different neighborhood. From the ferry building at the Embarcadero to Twitter HQ is about 1.8 miles away, or 3 BART stops. Given the density of SF and how quickly spaces can change you cannot realistically compare the two.
- snapcaster 2y agoOnly visited for a few days for a conference, but I think if you live there you may have become desensitized to the situation. It's really really not normal to have all the stores boarded up and security guards at the entrance. It's really not normal to be outnumbered by fent addicts nodding off on the street. The worst vibes of any city i've ever been to in my life (Including many people would describe as shitholes). This is so messed up to everyone who hasn't been beaten into acceptance of it
- fallingknife 2y agoI don't know what you know, but one thing you apparently don't know is that Twitter HQ is nowhere near the Embarcadero.
- renewiltord 2y agoMy wife and I have lived in SF for over a decade and I go to the Fitness SF next door to this building at least twice a week these days. We can all play this game where we try to pretend that this area is really nice to people not from here. But what that guy said was "the street scene is very bad in that part of SF." and he's dead right. I love this city, but misleading people on the Internet is not right. Tell them the truth. I've lived here as long as I have because I think the benefits outweigh the pains. But not because there are no pains.
- janalsncm 2y agoThat’s fair, I never visited the office. But if that was the only issue maybe they’d consider a different part of SF, which would be easier for current employees.
- gunapologist99 2y ago... a literal sniff test? from what I hear (not having been there in more than a few years), it's become quite a problem.
- Diederich 2y agoI rode by their office in SF daily in 2015-2018 and even back then it was pretty rough. I've heard things have gotten only more difficult since.
- tayo42 2y agoI interviewed there around then, I remeber getting off at civic center bart station on my way in wondering to my self if I really want to do this commute everyday and what kind if effect it would have on me. Then I got the offer and was like, I'll figure it out hah. Sketchy mornings watching all the drug dealing happening hoping I wouldn't accidently look at the wrong person the wrong way or something.
- hamandcheese 2y agoIsn't van ness station closer to Twitter?
- SllX 2y agoIf he was going via BART, Van Ness doesn’t have a BART station. If he was going via MUNI, technically yes but not by a lot.
- hamandcheese 2y agoOh wow, my bad. I thought there was a BART station down there. (I used to be a regular muni rider, not a regular bart rider).
- SllX 2y agoIt is an easy mistake to make because Van Ness is a strange station to have been built. It’s past the point where the BART tracks turn towards Mission and is close enough to Civic Center to seem redundant; but I guess a ton of civic buildings are directly on Van Ness and it is a major North-South transit corridor.
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- devoutsalsa 2y agoI used live in the Tenderloin and work in the Twitter building. My walk to work required me to be mindful of both stationary and recently minted poop in transit. This was in 2019.
- roberto2016 2y agoI used to live in the Tenderloin in late 90's early 00's. Nice affordable studio on Turk. There was always a diverse party going on during the day on the streets. Definitely had an old fashion skid-row vibe. Market street wasn't too bad then. Ah the memories.
- diogenescynic 2y agoIt's exponentially worse now with fentanyl and meth plus now there are now social repercussions or consequences and you can steal to fund your habit with no consequences. It's a sick sad society that would allow this and not see it as an injustice to man. To not intervene is bad enough, but SF actively enables this crap by giving out cash (adult assistance program) and needles (without requiring them to turn in dirty needles). But the voters get what they vote for.. so I guess they want this. This is what it looks like now on 6th/7th and Market: https://www.instagram.com/p/C-RuONoqOeP/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== https://www.instagram.com/p/C-RuONoqOeP/?utm_source=ig_web_c... it's always been bad, but this is insane. I took BART to Civic Center for concerts and bars many many nights and it was never like this until the pandemic. I blame all city leaders, voters, and SFPD for allowing this to continue unabated.
- snotrockets 2y agoThat was also true in mission bay, is true in Lakeshore, and I assume other neighborhoods too. It shouldn’t be like that, but those are the priorities we (as society and electorate) decided on.
- highcountess 2y agoThat is a quite ironic statement considering that Twitter has been an integral part of modern social engineering to reprogram people into accepting and tolerating the intolerable and unacceptable. So here we are, at a point where people not only self-censor, they will even get violently aggressive or simply will suppress speech or even the ability to read or hear what someone has said if it diverges from the cult rules that have been imposed on our whole civilization.
- darby_nine 2y agoI'd far prefer to live in the tenderloin than south bay. People make it out to be far scarier than it is.
- drawnwren 2y agoI’d be willing to be good money you couldn’t take the bus out of the old X headquarters at 11pm for a month straight and not get robbed at least once. I got robbed twice in the 3 months I worked in the TL.
- darby_nine 2y ago[flagged]
- drawnwren 2y agoYou know an area is fucked when people start trying to blame the victims for the crime.
- qingcharles 2y agohttps://knowyourmeme.com/memes/getting-mugged-just-say-no https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/getting-mugged-just-say-no
- darby_nine 2y agoI'm not blaming them for the crime, just their lack of understanding how the world works. If you want to understand poverty in america the only place to look is capital and americans' commitment to individual material comfort over all other values.
- yurwrng 2y agoBoth Australia and Singapore are very individualistic, capitalistic and materialistic, and yet you don't get robbed constantly.
- flanked-evergl 2y agoWhy do the citizens of SF like living in such squalor?
- s1artibartfast 2y agoThe obvious answer is they don't, and it is a tough problem to fix
- flanked-evergl 2y agoThe way I see it, the main way in which the citizens of SF can fix it is by voting for something different, but they don't. So it certainly does seem like they find the status quo preferable to alternatives.
- pokot0 2y agoBefore you jump to that conclusion you have to be sure that: - such politician exist (politician is not where we humans shine) - you believe the ones who claim they will fix it - the one that you believe can fix it don’t come with values that you cannot accept (extreme example: “I’ll kill all homeless people. vote me!”
- flanked-evergl 2y agoGiven there are/were cities that are not in such decline and such a state, including SF itself, it definitely seems like there are politicians that can fix it. The values conflict may be relevant. If, for example, you think it's critical to allow and facilitate your fellow man to become total enslavement to drugs that destroy their lives and health and eventually kill them, then I can get that you won't want to do anything to stop it, even if you have to live in squalor for that to be the case.
- s1artibartfast 2y agoThey might be wrong, but that doesnt mean they like living in squalor. Even if your solution is 100% workable, your statement is like saying a man must really like drowning because they dont know how to swim. I guess I dont think it isn't very constructive.
- ESTheComposer 2y ago[dead]
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- latentcall 2y agoAgree but it appears a sizeable amount of young men see themselves in him somehow and therefore idolize him. As long as he has that cult of personality, people will gladly accept the abuse for a chance to be near him.
- LightBug1 2y agoTemporarily embarassed billionaires who think he will save their embarassment ... What a waste of talent ...
- serial_dev 2y agoWell, even if I subscribe to "every company under Elon's management is a shit show" (and I do), and I don't idolize him (I really don't), if I lived anywhere close and were in my 20s, I would consider joining for a year or two just for the lulz. Twitter is still insanely influential, so it would be fun to be behind the scenes. I also suspect that software engineers can still learn a lot there.
- hi-v-rocknroll 2y agoYou appear to be describing a cult of personality. Cults exist. They're still cults. It takes perspective, common sense, and internal self-worth to not fall for such.
- darby_nine 2y ago
- hi-v-rocknroll 2y agoSanta Clara-San Jose area is relatively still damn expensive. (Ask me how I know.) Anywhere with an RTO mandate is a hard pass. If they want to treat their employees like children and waste my time and money on pointless commuting to feel in-control, then count me out.
- mvdtnz 2y ago[flagged]
- hot_gril 2y agoYeah, this has been tested every which way by now, the entire point of in-person work is to monitor employees. My manager told me outright that the only reason I can stay remote is, unlike most of the team, I didn't seem to "disappear" during 2020.
- hi-v-rocknroll 2y agoThere's a unfortunate conflation of completing useful work with appearing to be present. The appearance of presence is the new 37 pieces of flair.
- hot_gril 2y agoThe other new 37 pieces of flair is creating a lot of Java files with large loc and many layers of object inheritance.
- onlyrealcuzzo 2y agoMusk runs Twitter like a dictator. The first and only reason is whatever Musk felt like. Twitter was imperically a terrible financial decision. It seems like a bold statement to say the #1 is de facto money. I suspect non-money issues are much higher on the list. If anyone on the planet doesn't need more money, it's Musk.
- PM_me_your_math 2y ago[dead]
- ayakang31415 2y agoTBF, Elon has been running his other companies like he is running Twitter. Also, isn't it his prerogative to run his companies however he pleases as he is the CEO? If the shareholders are not happy with it, they can push him out.
- onlyrealcuzzo 2y agoMost CEOs aren't worth >$200B...
- PM_me_your_math 2y ago[dead]
- poisonarena 2y agoreading this as a mariner who works 2-4 months straight, on a ship, in deep sea, 12 hour work day, and no days off (working saturday and sunday).. lol you dont know how bad it really is..
- zappb 2y agoSounds like a prison work camp!
- deathanatos 2y agoI'm going to assume your work requires your physical presence on that ship, in the deep sea, though. My work, however, does not. Further, employers are, on the whole, cheap, and want to pack workers into as small a footprint as possible. (Literally, 4' or less.) I can build a better work environment at home, for under $1k. "My [unrelated] job is worse" is not a logical reason for me to abstain from advocating for better work conditions for myself, where there is a possibility of better work conditions. I can dislike things about one tech job vs. another tech job while still appreciating that the conditions of either job probably far exceed that of a career I wouldn't like. (And, I would also still default to advocating for sane worker's rights in your industry too, unless there is some compelling reason that working >8h/d, 7d/wk makes some sort of sense in your industry.)
- morgansmolder 2y ago"You kids think you're being exploited? Haha that's nothing, I've been exploited 10x harder!"
- oblio 2y agoLet's not crab bucket each other. You deserve good working conditions and making life suck for everyone else, too, won't make your life truly better.
- rty32 2y ago"you should feel good about that because my life has been much worse"
- lmm 2y agoTalent pool is downstream of the "flamebait reasons" though. Maybe they're not moving out of SF directly because of the high crime etc., they're moving out of SF because they can't attract talent in SF... but that may well be at least partly because of the high crime etc..
- not_alexb 2y agoI've lived in high crime areas, and SF doesn't have the kind of high crime that would actually deter me. The monotony of a homogeneous population is enough to keep me away from the Bay for as long as I can; and I know plenty of other talented people that feel the same
- astrange 2y agoThe Bay doesn't have a homogenous population, you just don't know any locals.
- not_alexb 2y agoI've lived all along the West Coast from Tijuana to Seattle. There is no place along this coast which I would call homogeneous except the Bay. I would challenge your locals statement, but at this point, I've wasted too much time on No True Scotsman fallacies for this lifetime. Either way, my community was one of the last diverse communities to get priced out of the Bay (around the early 2010s). Yet, you can find my community in any other populated place along the west coast. The bay definitely has a diversity issue when it comes to interesting people.
- astrange 2y agoThe thing about being priced out is that it can only happen if you aren't a homeowner. If you are a homeowner (or in such a household), the same effect is making you more than $100k a year richer. So you just have to like living with your parents.
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- karmasimida 2y agoHave you been to Twitter's SF site? It is a weird place, between super sketchy and plainly empty, what is missing is the peace of mind, definitely a valid reason to leave. It has all the downsides from being in the downtown, while none of the perks remain in today's SF. Talent pool isn't a real issue for Twitter now, under Elon, I don't think they truly prioritize Twitter over any of his other companies, the mission is to keep Twitter's lights on, that is it, the website/app had basically stayed the same after he took over, what talents do they really need, I don't buy it.
- stingraycharles 2y agoI think it’s inaccurate to say that they don’t need talent to keep the lights on at Twitter. Maybe not a lot of new architectural development is happening, but you definitely need a lot of ops people that know what they’re doing to keep the lights on there.
- karmasimida 2y agoElon had outsourced majority of Ops work, there are about 20% of employees left in the Bay last I checked from news.
- melodyogonna 2y agoIf you use Twitter you would know it has been far from the same.
- barkerja 2y agoIt appears they're trying to change the platform to be more of a media and payments platform. That requires talent.