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Thats generally the point with sudden disruptive moves - high attrition. Reduce the headcount without having to be in the news for layoffs.

llamaimperative 2y ago
Or the company is just led by a highly erratic narcissist with a track record (across several companies) of not treating his employees well. Build cult, treat like cult members.
- BirAdam 2y ago
  I dunno. He seems somewhat consistent. I think people just generally don’t like the things he’s consistent about.
  - ulfw 2y ago
    He is a consistent liar making fall promises that never come to fruition. I think people just generally don’t like being constantly fooled.
    - ben_w 2y ago
      > making fall promises that never come to fruition That's definitely not consistent; the SpaceX stuff may be always behind his schedule, but it does actually deliver, and even those delays are ahead of the rest of the entire industry planet-wide; and those cars he sells don't have FSD, but they do actually exist and are really electric (the sucess of electric cars over e.g. hydrogen wasn't a given even when he took over).
      - llamaimperative 2y ago
        SpaceX seems mostly operated by Gwynn, and the electric cars existed before Musk ever bought into Tesla. Directionally agreed though, he and his companies have achieved some really remarkable things. Makes the fall from grace, especially in such foreseeable ways (i.e. self-radicalizing on Twitter), all the more disappointing.
        ben_w 2y ago
        > SpaceX seems mostly operated by Gwynn, and the electric cars existed before Musk ever bought into Tesla Neither of which matters; the SpaceX promises are still Musk's, and the pre-Musk Tesla was losing money on each sale (all <= 147 of them). > Makes the fall from grace, especially in such foreseeable ways (i.e. self-radicalizing on Twitter), all the more disappointing. Agreed. To me, colonising Mars has a huge romantic appeal… but there's no way I'd want to be in a disconnected space habitat with an (orbital position dependent) 6-30 month return-to-Earth delay, if he's in charge of it.
      - FireBeyond 2y ago
        > those cars he sells don't have FSD, but they do actually exist Well, except the $30K Model 3, and the $35K CyberTruck (Musk can promise all he likes that it's coming next year, but I see it coming at all as a snowball's chance in hell).
jsheard 2y ago
They've already cut about 80% of their workforce since Elon took over, I'm not sure how much more attrition they can take. Sure the site still mostly works in the technical sense, but the way it works now has led to a significant decline in revenue and active users.
- LightBug1 2y ago
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  - optymizer 2y ago
    > Who cares? > They should know better and the best have already left or been culled. We should care, even if it's just a little. Some of them may not be able to leave for various reasons: health, family, immigration status, who knows. Maybe if more of us showed a bit more empathy towards each other online, the Internet wouldn't be such a sociopathic cesspool. These are real people you're talking about, not inanimate objects.
    - LightBug1 2y ago
      Of course, I agree with you at the individual level. However, at the macro level, I'm more than happy to see jobs destroyed at insert sh1tty company for the good of both individuals, and the good of the nation/world. Short term pain, long term gain. And don't tell me the workers X/twitter can't get re-hired or land on their feet elsewhere ... so actually, I'm not that sympathetic. Sometimes you have to take a stand. And that sociopathic cesspool you're speaking of? ... yes, that's right, you could be talking about X/twitter. So, I appreciate your words of empathy, they're much needed in these times. But I'll be the asshole who dismisses them on this occassion.
      - mplewis 2y ago
        Most of the workers stuck at X are on H1B visas or similar, which require them to keep their job or immediately find new employment at a company that will sponsor them.
toast0 2y ago
I don't know what the established criteria are for 'reasonable commuting distance' in the SF Bay area, but seems like a big forced transfer like this might need a WARN act notice, which is going to get the company in the news for layoffs. And probably in the news for not providing the notice in a timely fashion, too. This would be a bad look for a company that cared about how it looks.
- jorts 2y ago
  SF to San Jose would be a horrible commute via car, which not everyone has.
  - nomdep 2y ago
    Because they are paying SF rents? If they moved to San Jose wouldn’t they solve two problems at the same time?
    - TechnicolorByte 2y ago
      If you enjoy being bored to death, perhaps. Somehow I think the group of people who choose to live in SF have particular interests and desired amenities that make high rent worth it. E.g., walkable and lively neighborhoods, access to parks, events, etc.
    - saagarjha 2y ago
      You should check what rent in San Jose is.
  - deeth_starr_v 2y ago
    Not to bad via 280
  - toast0 2y ago
    From what I could tell, the 'standard' for reasonable commute measures from the employee's home, not from the original location to the other. But the federal WARN info says 'reasonable' varies by locale, and didn't offer any specifics. Moving the office is probably neutral or better for people on the Penisula. And may be neutral for parts of the East Bay. Depends on where exactly in San Jose the new office is too. Also, I was surprised by how light traffic was when I drove from Mountain View to SF last October during what I was expecting to be the morning rush hour. I don't recall what the reverse direction looked like, though. But my point was kind of to raise the likelyhood that this action was taken without regard for how it looks, and without regard for required notifications.
bijutoha 2y ago
It's an exciting move by X! They seem to adapt to the changing work environment. I wonder how this relocation will impact their company culture and operations in the long run.

llamaimperative 2y ago

Or the company is just led by a highly erratic narcissist with a track record (across several companies) of not treating his employees well. Build cult, treat like cult members.

BirAdam 2y ago
I dunno. He seems somewhat consistent. I think people just generally don’t like the things he’s consistent about.
- ulfw 2y ago
  He is a consistent liar making fall promises that never come to fruition. I think people just generally don’t like being constantly fooled.
  - ben_w 2y ago
    > making fall promises that never come to fruition That's definitely not consistent; the SpaceX stuff may be always behind his schedule, but it does actually deliver, and even those delays are ahead of the rest of the entire industry planet-wide; and those cars he sells don't have FSD, but they do actually exist and are really electric (the sucess of electric cars over e.g. hydrogen wasn't a given even when he took over).
    - llamaimperative 2y ago
      SpaceX seems mostly operated by Gwynn, and the electric cars existed before Musk ever bought into Tesla. Directionally agreed though, he and his companies have achieved some really remarkable things. Makes the fall from grace, especially in such foreseeable ways (i.e. self-radicalizing on Twitter), all the more disappointing.
      - ben_w 2y ago
        > SpaceX seems mostly operated by Gwynn, and the electric cars existed before Musk ever bought into Tesla Neither of which matters; the SpaceX promises are still Musk's, and the pre-Musk Tesla was losing money on each sale (all <= 147 of them). > Makes the fall from grace, especially in such foreseeable ways (i.e. self-radicalizing on Twitter), all the more disappointing. Agreed. To me, colonising Mars has a huge romantic appeal… but there's no way I'd want to be in a disconnected space habitat with an (orbital position dependent) 6-30 month return-to-Earth delay, if he's in charge of it.
    - FireBeyond 2y ago
      > those cars he sells don't have FSD, but they do actually exist Well, except the $30K Model 3, and the $35K CyberTruck (Musk can promise all he likes that it's coming next year, but I see it coming at all as a snowball's chance in hell).

jsheard 2y ago

They've already cut about 80% of their workforce since Elon took over, I'm not sure how much more attrition they can take. Sure the site still mostly works in the technical sense, but the way it works now has led to a significant decline in revenue and active users.

LightBug1 2y ago
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- optymizer 2y ago
  > Who cares? > They should know better and the best have already left or been culled. We should care, even if it's just a little. Some of them may not be able to leave for various reasons: health, family, immigration status, who knows. Maybe if more of us showed a bit more empathy towards each other online, the Internet wouldn't be such a sociopathic cesspool. These are real people you're talking about, not inanimate objects.
  - LightBug1 2y ago
    Of course, I agree with you at the individual level. However, at the macro level, I'm more than happy to see jobs destroyed at insert sh1tty company for the good of both individuals, and the good of the nation/world. Short term pain, long term gain. And don't tell me the workers X/twitter can't get re-hired or land on their feet elsewhere ... so actually, I'm not that sympathetic. Sometimes you have to take a stand. And that sociopathic cesspool you're speaking of? ... yes, that's right, you could be talking about X/twitter. So, I appreciate your words of empathy, they're much needed in these times. But I'll be the asshole who dismisses them on this occassion.
    - mplewis 2y ago
      Most of the workers stuck at X are on H1B visas or similar, which require them to keep their job or immediately find new employment at a company that will sponsor them.

toast0 2y ago

I don't know what the established criteria are for 'reasonable commuting distance' in the SF Bay area, but seems like a big forced transfer like this might need a WARN act notice, which is going to get the company in the news for layoffs. And probably in the news for not providing the notice in a timely fashion, too. This would be a bad look for a company that cared about how it looks.

jorts 2y ago
SF to San Jose would be a horrible commute via car, which not everyone has.
- nomdep 2y ago
  Because they are paying SF rents? If they moved to San Jose wouldn’t they solve two problems at the same time?
  - TechnicolorByte 2y ago
    If you enjoy being bored to death, perhaps. Somehow I think the group of people who choose to live in SF have particular interests and desired amenities that make high rent worth it. E.g., walkable and lively neighborhoods, access to parks, events, etc.
  - saagarjha 2y ago
    You should check what rent in San Jose is.
- deeth_starr_v 2y ago
  Not to bad via 280
- toast0 2y ago
  From what I could tell, the 'standard' for reasonable commute measures from the employee's home, not from the original location to the other. But the federal WARN info says 'reasonable' varies by locale, and didn't offer any specifics. Moving the office is probably neutral or better for people on the Penisula. And may be neutral for parts of the East Bay. Depends on where exactly in San Jose the new office is too. Also, I was surprised by how light traffic was when I drove from Mountain View to SF last October during what I was expecting to be the morning rush hour. I don't recall what the reverse direction looked like, though. But my point was kind of to raise the likelyhood that this action was taken without regard for how it looks, and without regard for required notifications.

bijutoha 2y ago

It's an exciting move by X! They seem to adapt to the changing work environment. I wonder how this relocation will impact their company culture and operations in the long run.