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I don't know US commutes, or US geography too well. But it seems these two locations are about 45mins-1hr drive from each other. Where do folks actually live i
by zknill 2y ago
I don't know US commutes, or US geography too well. But it seems these two locations are about 45mins-1hr drive from each other.
Where do folks actually live in those areas? Is it that a 30min drive north to San Fran becomes a 30min drive south to San Jose?
- htrp 2y agoMore like the easy commute you had in San Francisco on muni (the bus and subway network of San Francisco) becomes an annoying hour and a half-long commute on bart (The regional train system) with 2-3 transfers
- loceng 2y agoUntil Boring Company sets up multiple pickup points with Loop and Hyperloop tunnels; then will arguably be a max 20-30 minute ride. The dynamics of travel will dramatically change multiple industries, save for if the status quo establishment and industrial complexes through regulatory capture prevent the rapid expansion of the paradigm shift in transport that Boring Company is rapidly developing; the technology of which Elon needs for his Mars colony, and so it'll happen and be developed as far as is determined to be necessary to maximize its utility and safety.
- ebabani 2y agoHow big is their network so far?
- loceng 2y agoI haven't looked into it recently, however their Las Vegas network is going and expanding; 40 million people per year travel to Vegas, a great testbed and for exposure.
- philipwhiuk 2y agoWhy is the number of people in LA relevant when the ridership peak is 1,355 an hour.
- loceng 2y ago[flagged]
- input_sh 2y agoOr they could do one bigger tunnel and put a train into it like every other city with a functional public transport?
- ianburrell 2y agoI like how the Vegas Loop tunnels are almost the same diameter as the London Underground deep lines. Glasgow subway is even smaller. Which means the tunnels are big enough to run metro and carry lots of people. It would be better to use larger tunnel, buy normal sized trains, and keep tall people from hitting their heads. It would also make sense to use one of the automated systems instead of trying to build pod system. It is also curious that Musk always want to do his way. Cause there is company that makes automated pods used at Heathrow. They should work for the current service and wouldn't be Tesla 3 with driver.
- ben_w 2y ago"if" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence. The criticisms of TBC fall into three camps: (1) this is terrifyingly unsafe, if a vehicle catches fire in those tunnels the occupants can't even open the doors and no vehicle behind them has a way to safely evacuate either; (2) they are still really expensive, like all other tunnels; (3) this compared poorly with all other modes of transport on every measure.
- loceng 2y agoThanks for replying with some depth-specific concerns. Okay, so perhaps the worst case scenario is only goods are shipped in the tunnels - taking all semi-trucks off the roads for at least the major long-haul routes? All-or-nothing thinking without critically thinking or brainstorming through how adaptations for adoption could be made isn't helpful. Re: Safety Perhaps battery tech that eventually is safer than currently driving a vehicle, perhaps even safer then with the casualties from airplane crashes, or other solutions like before entering the tunnels everyone is provided emergency kit/safety-oxygen masks/goggles, etc; and maybe necessary for doors that have an emergency "blowout" handle to pull and have doors pop off their hinges? I'm not sure you're correct about being unable to open and get out of a vehicle in such the tunnels. We go through security checks, etc, at airports to save time - what level of "inconvenience" are people willing to implement or follow if a ~5 hour drive can turn into say a ~30 minute ride in a Hyperloop? Also, in the Hyperloop almost vacuum state that's planned, fire will be less of a problem - and perhaps a safety system could be implemented, especially if everyone is temporarily given an oxygen mask-goggles for each longer ride or all rides, that at certain points a fire extinguishing-suppression system could be implemented where non-oxygen gases are flooded into the tunnel between the point a fire is detected? Arguably so long as cost of implementation is less than or the same cost than current existing infrastructure costs, where the time savings are arguably up to invaluable - but a cost per ride for each person using the system will be determinable, then it can be a great alternative especially with the positives of how it allows transport regardless of winter weather conditions, etc.
- ffsm8 2y ago[flagged]
- philipwhiuk 2y agoThey have 2 or 3 tunnels of which at most 2 are actively in use.
- askl 2y ago0
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- wodenokoto 2y agoBy that time current senior staff is retired
- loceng 2y agoHey dang, what exactly in my comment above warrants -5 (or more) downvotes?
- llamaimperative 2y agoExtreme sycophancy without much critical thought. Might as well argue he’s going to give all his employees time machines to go buy $AAPL in the 90s as part of their comp plan. Would also get downvoted.
- loceng 2y ago"Extreme sycophancy without much critical thought." A claim you make with no supportive arguments. My comment is packed with critical thought. Maybe you're just lacking understanding to unpack it? Or are you too arrogant to not think that you know all? And then ridiculous ad hominem that you think was clever enough to actually waste time to type out; what work do you have that you hate that you're procrastinating from working on? I'm really curious if you know what sycophancy means, and if so, how exactly my comment is benefitting me? I think it's more likely you're jealous of Elon's success, have past trauma from personal work experiences you're projecting onto him, and taking it out on anyone who notes his successes and extrapolates to estimate where his projects will lead to.
- llamaimperative 2y agowat. I don't think you know what ad hominem nor sycophancy mean. Have a good week!
- coffeebeqn 2y agoYou’re telling people to commute with a thing that doesn’t and very unlikely ever will exist?
- loceng 2y agohttps://www.boringcompany.com/vegas-loop https://www.boringcompany.com/vegas-loop - doesn't exist?
- VHRanger 2y agoIs this comment satire? It's really hard to tell. If it's not I encourage you to go look at the stellar success of the boring company in places like Las Vegas and reconsider your assessment of the future.
- BadHumans 2y agoThis will never happen and the Hyperloop was a lie. Your comment reads like Elon propaganda.
- chuckadams 2y agoYou need CalTrain to get to San Jose. BART should have gone all the way around the bay by now but CalTrain defends its turf like a honey badger.
- smcin 2y agoTransit in the Bay Area has very fragmented governance: 27 different transit agencies for 7.6m people in 9 counties with little coordination and no regional vision. By most measures, the Bay Area has the most fragmented public transit network in the country. See Seamless Bay Area if you want to make your voice heard for fixing this: https://www.seamlessbayarea.org/ https://www.seamlessbayarea.org/ For a map and list of the organizational insanity, see https://www.seamlessbayarea.org/blog/transitagencieslist https://www.seamlessbayarea.org/blog/transitagencieslist (2019). (Large tech companies like Google, Meta, Apple avoid all this by using private employee-only shuttles which take the freeway where possible). BART from the East Bay is in the process of being extended to downtown SJ (latest estimate: "2036", they are still debating single-bore vs twin-bore tunnel, to save money in construction). It's not fair to just blame BART vs Caltrain though, there are multiple cities that need to cooperate with other too: as we saw in the neverending saga of the CA High-Speed Rail project, people wanted a midpeninsula stop, but no midpeninsula city (Redwood City vs Palo Alto vs Mountain View) wanted to be the one to incur the increased traffic and enormous construction disruption from underground multistorey parking lots, so it was dropped. At least, Caltrain electrification is finally promised, fall 2024: https://www.caltrain.com/projects/electrification/project-benefits/caltrain-electrified-service-plan https://www.caltrain.com/projects/electrification/project-be... (more reliable (=> fewer breakdowns and delays), less noise, cleaner air quality)
- orblivion 2y agoThey still haven't finished that leg? I was there 7 years ago and the plan was advertised on the maps.
- sentientslug 2y agoYou can get to San Jose on BART now but have to go all the way under and around the bay instead of directly south, so it’s not really worth it to go from SF to SJ using anything other than Caltrain.
- whyenot 2y agoYou can take Caltrain to San Jose. I did this commute for several years when I lived in SF and worked in SJ. With electrification coming top Caltrain this fall, it should be faster than the current diesel trains. Depending on where Twitter's offices are in Palo Alto and San Jose, it probably won't be that bad.
- dredmorbius 2y agoBART runs with 20 minute headways on longer routes (and as little as 4 minutes through San Francisco). The six CalTrain "baby bullet" express trains run hourly at best, with long service lapses mid-day and in the late evenings. Locals run more often (about every 10--20 minutes during peak commute hours) but add a half-hour to the just over one-hour express schedule. (Both are still faster by far than driving, particularly during rush hour.) CalTrain: <https://www.caltrain.com/media/22502/download https://www.caltrain.com/media/22502/download> BART's Green Line (Daly City - Beryessa / North San Jose) departs every 20 minutes from 4:55 am though 7:36 pm (southbound) and 4:59 am through 6:49 pm (northbound): <https://www.bart.gov/sites/default/files/2024-01/January%2015_2024%20WD%20Service%20for%20Berryessa%20N%20San%20Jose%20to%20Daly%20City%20%28Green%29%20Line.pdf https://www.bart.gov/sites/default/files/2024-01/January%201...>
- SoftTalker 2y agoAre they upgrading the tracks as well? Diesel trains can run at 80mph no problem, which is about the maximum any standard US railroad supports. If the track is built to high speed standards you could go faster.
- jen20 2y agoThe track has a lot of at-grade intersections with roads running through the mid-peninsula - it seems unlikely they'll be running trains at 80mph.
- skissane 2y agoAt-grade intersections can be removed. Melbourne, Australia has been running a project since 2015 – scheduled to continue until at least 2030 – to remove at-grade intersections (or "level crossings" as we call them) on suburban rail lines. They've already removed 83, and by 2030 plan to have removed 110. I'm not sure of the total cost, but I'd say in the ballpark of US$5-10 billion. The removal is done by a combination of elevating the rail line, trenching the rail line, and leaving the rail line at the same level but building road bridges over it – adopting whichever solution is most feasible and cost-effective for any given at-grade intersection. The project is run and paid for by the state government, with the federal government contributing some of the funding. Australia's State of Victoria: population close to 7 million, economy almost US$300 billion (Gross State Product), annual state government budget around US$70 billion. California: population close to 40 million, economy almost US$4 trillion (GSP), annual state government budget of almost US$300 billion. If Victoria can afford it, California can too.
- ncr100 2y ago.. and being "close" to the occasional death: The inter-city CalTrain (the outside of the train) is used frequently by those amongst us who pursue suicide, and aside from that dropping a mini-nuke on society / friends + family, another side-effect is 2-3 hours of delay on CalTrain. Overall, a traumatic and unhealthy commute. Living in SF and working in South Bay sucked for me, when I did that, for that reason in particular.
- northerdome 2y agoIf they relocate engineers to Palo Alto, that's halfway between San Francisco and San Jose. And a lot of engineers (not necessarily at X but in general in Silicon Valley) live in the suburbs between SF and SJ already. It might be mildly less convenient for some, but also mildly more convenient for many.
- infecto 2y agoThe Bay area is fairly constrained in terms of transportation. Commuting in a car is not possible (unless you enjoy deadlock traffic + paying for parking). Public transportation exists but only works on specific segments. I would guess a large portion of the individuals in the SF office would live within SF/East bay and have a fairly reasonable commute going to the SF office. I am not sure how far Bart goes south now but typically you would take Caltrain so thats a 45min ride from SF to Palo Alto. Then tack on however long it takes you to get to Caltrain. Easily a 1hr commute.
- uxp100 2y agoPeople actually live everywhere in the Bay Area, and do every commute, and there is extensive mediocre transit in the South Bay. Commuting Santa Cruz into town, Livermore into town, every single suburb has people going to San Francisco, or to another suburb, or San Jose, or Oakland. In heavy traffic they are much longer than 1 hr apart, and the fastest train is 1hr 10min iirc.
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- thr0w 2y agoI'm imagining hordes of 20-something engineers living in the Mission with a 15 minute flat bicycle commute to the X office now having to grapple with getting to San Jose. Probably pretty rough news for a decent amount of people.
- pie420 2y agothey will just work remote
- Apocryphon 2y agoAre they permitted to?
- metadat 2y agoNo, not anymore post-Elon.
- rty32 2y agoWrong thread, this is Elon's company we are talking about
- morepork 2y agoYou mean they won't switch to a 3-4 hour, mostly flat, 50 mile bike ride?
- klooney 2y agoSan Jose is bigger than SF, and tech people tend to age out of the city and move south into the peninsula- so probably a good portion of the employees are getting an improved or neutral commute.
- screye 2y agoI commute to Palo Alto from SF. It takes ~90 minutes. 1 hour on the CalTrain + 15*2 minutes of last mile transport. Caltrain's main issue is that trains run every hour. (with 1 super slow train in the middle). Miss a train, and you're screwed.