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OpenAI: Cofounders Greg Brockman, John Schulman, along with others, to leave

89 points by wavelander 2y ago

behnamoh 2y ago
greg seems to take a leave of absence, but the way I see it, he's pulling an ilya due to legal reasons. IOW, he's not allowed to found another company for now.
- wavelander 2y ago
  I'm really interested in the reasons behind Greg leaving. IIUC he was doing great engineering related work.
  - mrinfinitiesx 2y ago
    My guess is internal arguing and different vision paths for things.
- rozim 2y ago
  Gardening leave eh?
wavelander 2y ago
https://x.com/amir/status/1820619156347326934 https://x.com/amir/status/1820619156347326934
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ppsreejith 2y ago
Possibly related to Elon's new lawsuit? https://www.theverge.com/2024/8/5/24213557/elon-musk-openai-lawsuit-sam-altman-greg-brockman-revived https://www.theverge.com/2024/8/5/24213557/elon-musk-openai-... > The new lawsuit filed in federal court in Northern California on Monday says that Altman and Brockman “assiduously manipulated Musk into co-founding their spurious non-profit venture” by promising that OpenAI would be safer and more transparent than profit-driven alternatives. The suit claims that assurances about OpenAI’s nonprofit structure were “the hook for Altman’s long con.”
- dluan 2y ago
  lmao amazing
sebastiennight 2y ago
What's fascinating here is not the ongoing drama at OpenAI. What I believe is most fascinating is that many people are fairly sure that history is being written (assuming Microsoft/OpenAI/sama remain a/the leader on the AI front). But there is so much secrecy and uncertainty that it's completely unclear what meaning the drama will have in hindsight. Maybe we reach utopia by 2050 and it all goes down in history as "wow, it was an epic ride worthy of a Hollywood hero story!" Or we have a few years before a panopticon dystopia where we're all thinking "damn, we came so close to saving it all!" Or, as is the most likely outcome in everything, it's mostly business as usual for 100 more years, and most of the drama is completely forgotten, while a couple of stories end up as Netflix docu-fiction series to watch on a rainy Sunday. What's everyone's bet at the moment?
- unsupp0rted 2y ago
  In a panopticon dystopia, it's likely if humans are left alive, they won't be allowed to know there was a better world before.
  - tsunamifury 2y ago
    Yea this is what Americans who didn’t go through Mao or Stalins erasure of history don’t fully appreciate.
    - ComplexSystems 2y ago
      I'm pretty interested in this kind of thing - any resources you could suggest?
      - tsunamifury 2y ago
        Adam Curtis’s Cant get you out of my head and Trauma Zone. They are a commitment but ultra rewarding.
- blitzar 2y ago
  fairly sure that history is being re-written
ergocoder 2y ago
OpenAI is falling apart due to its non-profit root. No sane founder would take a leave during a hyper growth. If OpenAI wasn't non-profit, the founders would have been billionaires easily. Greg and co. still have a chance to reach the billionaire status by leaving and founding a new company. Could easily be funded. They would also have much more fun building the tech without the non-profit craps. The founders start realizing this. They get chastised and criticized without much benefit (e.g. billion dollar). People even thought Sam was a billionaire. Once OpenAI's lead is squashed by competitors, the company will collapse.
kranke155 2y ago
So how toxic is Sam Altman?
rognjen 2y ago
dang perhaps merge this and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41168904 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41168904

89 points by wavelander 2y ago

greg seems to take a leave of absence, but the way I see it, he's pulling an ilya due to legal reasons. IOW, he's not allowed to found another company for now.

wavelander 2y ago
I'm really interested in the reasons behind Greg leaving. IIUC he was doing great engineering related work.
- mrinfinitiesx 2y ago
  My guess is internal arguing and different vision paths for things.
rozim 2y ago
Gardening leave eh?

wavelander 2y ago

https://x.com/amir/status/1820619156347326934 https://x.com/amir/status/1820619156347326934

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ppsreejith 2y ago

Possibly related to Elon's new lawsuit? https://www.theverge.com/2024/8/5/24213557/elon-musk-openai-lawsuit-sam-altman-greg-brockman-revived https://www.theverge.com/2024/8/5/24213557/elon-musk-openai-... > The new lawsuit filed in federal court in Northern California on Monday says that Altman and Brockman “assiduously manipulated Musk into co-founding their spurious non-profit venture” by promising that OpenAI would be safer and more transparent than profit-driven alternatives. The suit claims that assurances about OpenAI’s nonprofit structure were “the hook for Altman’s long con.”

dluan 2y ago
lmao amazing

sebastiennight 2y ago

What's fascinating here is not the ongoing drama at OpenAI. What I believe is most fascinating is that many people are fairly sure that history is being written (assuming Microsoft/OpenAI/sama remain a/the leader on the AI front). But there is so much secrecy and uncertainty that it's completely unclear what meaning the drama will have in hindsight. Maybe we reach utopia by 2050 and it all goes down in history as "wow, it was an epic ride worthy of a Hollywood hero story!" Or we have a few years before a panopticon dystopia where we're all thinking "damn, we came so close to saving it all!" Or, as is the most likely outcome in everything, it's mostly business as usual for 100 more years, and most of the drama is completely forgotten, while a couple of stories end up as Netflix docu-fiction series to watch on a rainy Sunday. What's everyone's bet at the moment?

unsupp0rted 2y ago
In a panopticon dystopia, it's likely if humans are left alive, they won't be allowed to know there was a better world before.
- tsunamifury 2y ago
  Yea this is what Americans who didn’t go through Mao or Stalins erasure of history don’t fully appreciate.
  - ComplexSystems 2y ago
    I'm pretty interested in this kind of thing - any resources you could suggest?
    - tsunamifury 2y ago
      Adam Curtis’s Cant get you out of my head and Trauma Zone. They are a commitment but ultra rewarding.
blitzar 2y ago
fairly sure that history is being re-written

ergocoder 2y ago

OpenAI is falling apart due to its non-profit root. No sane founder would take a leave during a hyper growth. If OpenAI wasn't non-profit, the founders would have been billionaires easily. Greg and co. still have a chance to reach the billionaire status by leaving and founding a new company. Could easily be funded. They would also have much more fun building the tech without the non-profit craps. The founders start realizing this. They get chastised and criticized without much benefit (e.g. billion dollar). People even thought Sam was a billionaire. Once OpenAI's lead is squashed by competitors, the company will collapse.

kranke155 2y ago

So how toxic is Sam Altman?

rognjen 2y ago

dang perhaps merge this and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41168904 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41168904