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One of the alarming things about Intel's reaction is how tone-deaf they seem to have been during this entire process in terms of reassuring customers, especiall

One of the alarming things about Intel's reaction is how tone-deaf they seem to have been during this entire process in terms of reassuring customers, especially gamer/enthusiast buyers. The Costco desktops in stock at the local Costco are all 13th/14th gen systems priced reasonably enough with Nvidia 4060 or 4070 cards... but my perception is they are not selling well because of the concerns raised about these CPUs.

Dalewyn 2y ago
If they aren't selling well, that's probably because 14th gen (Raptor Lake Refresh) and especially 13th gen (Raptor Lake) are actually last gen old stock products. This is made even more obvious because Costco usually has all those "Core Ultra 1" (15th gen, Meteor Lake) branded laptops nearby. We've been on 15th gen (Meteor Lake) for quite a while now, with 16th gen (Arrow and Lunar Lakes) presumably coming later this year. I sympathize with Costco wanting to move all that old stock out now rather than later.
- wmf 2y ago
  For one thing, Meteor Lake is not available for desktops so Raptor Lake is still the current generation there.
- shrubble 2y ago
  Microcenter.com (US retailer) doesn't have anything newer than 14th gen CPUs for desktops, on their site. Did Intel release a newer desktop chip already?
  - layer8 2y ago
    No, the 15th gen desktop will be Arrow Lake-S aka Core Ultra 200, and is on track for release in Q4 2024.
    - Dalewyn 2y ago
      No, Arrow Lake is 16th gen. 15th gen (Meteor Lake) was supposed to also have a desktop segment, but that got axed because Intel(tm). No, I am not going to entertain the desktop/mobile generation split bullshit that AMD also has. Screw that noise, disjointed market segmentation is anti-consumer. (No, I am not going to entertain Intel's new Core XX branding either.)
      - imtringued 2y ago
        The Ryzen 8700G and 8945H are basically identical. AMD is seemingly simply repackaging their laptop SoCs to be sold as desktop APUs in a different form factor. There is not much segmentation going on here. The only real problem with AMD is that they are gouging on APUs. Who exactly is in the market for a $330 (from memory) APU for their office PC or gaming PC? Of course, they already dropped the price, but that $330 launch price felt really awkward.
      - hnuser123456 2y ago
        Going by your reasoning, 13th and 14th gen should've been the same generation because 14th was just a "refresh" of 13th gen raptor lake. Going by the more common theme of "generation goes up by 1 each year", Arrow lake would been 15th gen. Meteor lake came out the same year as 14th gen, but the "14" branded parts are raptor lake refresh instead of meteor lake due to the deadline miss, they couldn't get the new architecture ported to all product segments so they just did consumer laptops since they don't pull much power and don't push the silicon too hard.
- hnuser123456 2y ago
  Meteor lake is only "15th gen" for midrange laptops, and only if you add a blank "14th gen" by skipping raptor lake refresh. The 185H followed the 1365U, so the 185H would've otherwise been the 1465U. It was supposed to also be the 14th gen of desktop parts but they couldn't finish it in time, so we got raptor lake refresh instead. There is still the line of e.g. 14700HX (Q1 24), which is a raptor lake laptop part that came out after meteor lake (Core Ultra 9 185H) did (Q4 23), but it beats meteor lake by being used in 45W+ CPU TDP gaming laptops paired with a discrete GPU.

Dalewyn 2y ago

If they aren't selling well, that's probably because 14th gen (Raptor Lake Refresh) and especially 13th gen (Raptor Lake) are actually last gen old stock products. This is made even more obvious because Costco usually has all those "Core Ultra 1" (15th gen, Meteor Lake) branded laptops nearby. We've been on 15th gen (Meteor Lake) for quite a while now, with 16th gen (Arrow and Lunar Lakes) presumably coming later this year. I sympathize with Costco wanting to move all that old stock out now rather than later.

wmf 2y ago
For one thing, Meteor Lake is not available for desktops so Raptor Lake is still the current generation there.
shrubble 2y ago
Microcenter.com (US retailer) doesn't have anything newer than 14th gen CPUs for desktops, on their site. Did Intel release a newer desktop chip already?
- layer8 2y ago
  No, the 15th gen desktop will be Arrow Lake-S aka Core Ultra 200, and is on track for release in Q4 2024.
  - Dalewyn 2y ago
    No, Arrow Lake is 16th gen. 15th gen (Meteor Lake) was supposed to also have a desktop segment, but that got axed because Intel(tm). No, I am not going to entertain the desktop/mobile generation split bullshit that AMD also has. Screw that noise, disjointed market segmentation is anti-consumer. (No, I am not going to entertain Intel's new Core XX branding either.)
    - imtringued 2y ago
      The Ryzen 8700G and 8945H are basically identical. AMD is seemingly simply repackaging their laptop SoCs to be sold as desktop APUs in a different form factor. There is not much segmentation going on here. The only real problem with AMD is that they are gouging on APUs. Who exactly is in the market for a $330 (from memory) APU for their office PC or gaming PC? Of course, they already dropped the price, but that $330 launch price felt really awkward.
    - hnuser123456 2y ago
      Going by your reasoning, 13th and 14th gen should've been the same generation because 14th was just a "refresh" of 13th gen raptor lake. Going by the more common theme of "generation goes up by 1 each year", Arrow lake would been 15th gen. Meteor lake came out the same year as 14th gen, but the "14" branded parts are raptor lake refresh instead of meteor lake due to the deadline miss, they couldn't get the new architecture ported to all product segments so they just did consumer laptops since they don't pull much power and don't push the silicon too hard.
hnuser123456 2y ago
Meteor lake is only "15th gen" for midrange laptops, and only if you add a blank "14th gen" by skipping raptor lake refresh. The 185H followed the 1365U, so the 185H would've otherwise been the 1465U. It was supposed to also be the 14th gen of desktop parts but they couldn't finish it in time, so we got raptor lake refresh instead. There is still the line of e.g. 14700HX (Q1 24), which is a raptor lake laptop part that came out after meteor lake (Core Ultra 9 185H) did (Q4 23), but it beats meteor lake by being used in 45W+ CPU TDP gaming laptops paired with a discrete GPU.