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#3 was done in Alberta until Austerity decided it was too expensive. Then we saw our streets get worse, and our EMTs answering more homeless calls than before,

#3 was done in Alberta until Austerity decided it was too expensive. Then we saw our streets get worse, and our EMTs answering more homeless calls than before, taxing the whole system (which itself is also very expensive). I prefer 3, and I think after a certain amount of stubbornness it should result in prison too. If the prisons are well guarded then the person can sober up in there, hopefully add some value to their life through GED or whatever.

seanmcdirmid 2y ago
It actually expensive to bring someone back from a bad fent addiction, with high failure rate to boot. So few million dollars to maybe bring back someone who will probably never be a net contributor to society even if treatment is successful, from a hard cold numbers perspective it isn’t worth it. Morally speaking it’s a completely different story, but prevention is very very very important these days. We really need to educate our kids that even trying drugs these days is too risky.
- maerF0x0 2y ago
  > that even trying drugs these days is too risky. And yet the rat park studies and heritability of addiction suggest it's actually a predisposition to addiction (via environmental factors like poverty or emotionally disconnected "support" system in your childhood or life) that truly indicate the risk. Healthy kids, in a healthy family, in a healthy society, with opportunities, and a non-cynical media etc. are less/un-likely to become addicted to anything, and the "addictive" elements seem to not lay in the drug/behavior of choice.
  - seanmcdirmid 2y ago
    Ya so let’s focusing on helping kids be in the best environments possible. The pay off and effectiveness will be a magnitude better than wasting money on addicts later. We can’t exactly make healthy families, but preschool and summer camp opportunities, free healthcare, after school programs are all low hanging fruit.
    - maerF0x0 2y ago
      > Ya so let’s focusing on helping kids be in the best environments possible + 1000

seanmcdirmid 2y ago

It actually expensive to bring someone back from a bad fent addiction, with high failure rate to boot. So few million dollars to maybe bring back someone who will probably never be a net contributor to society even if treatment is successful, from a hard cold numbers perspective it isn’t worth it. Morally speaking it’s a completely different story, but prevention is very very very important these days. We really need to educate our kids that even trying drugs these days is too risky.

maerF0x0 2y ago
> that even trying drugs these days is too risky. And yet the rat park studies and heritability of addiction suggest it's actually a predisposition to addiction (via environmental factors like poverty or emotionally disconnected "support" system in your childhood or life) that truly indicate the risk. Healthy kids, in a healthy family, in a healthy society, with opportunities, and a non-cynical media etc. are less/un-likely to become addicted to anything, and the "addictive" elements seem to not lay in the drug/behavior of choice.
- seanmcdirmid 2y ago
  Ya so let’s focusing on helping kids be in the best environments possible. The pay off and effectiveness will be a magnitude better than wasting money on addicts later. We can’t exactly make healthy families, but preschool and summer camp opportunities, free healthcare, after school programs are all low hanging fruit.
  - maerF0x0 2y ago
    > Ya so let’s focusing on helping kids be in the best environments possible + 1000