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I fail to understand how they can’t come down in a Dragon while Starliner returns unmanned. Would be egg on the face of Boeing but not Harris or NASA. Seems to

by api 2y ago

I fail to understand how they can’t come down in a Dragon while Starliner returns unmanned. Would be egg on the face of Boeing but not Harris or NASA. Seems to me the egg would land where it belongs.

valianteffort 2y ago
You don't think the chair of the space council bears some responsibility here? How about the border czar for the state of the border?
- mft_ 2y ago
  Let's turn the question around: do you think the Chair of the Space Council is directly responsible for operational decisions related to complex engineering issues on a developmental space capsule? I suspect (with heavy irony) that such decisions are delegated to, well... NASA; and indeed, were they not, there's a problem with the whole setup.
  - b112 2y ago
    Wasn't the whole Boeing thing, the contract, setup during a prior administration?
    - khuey 2y ago
      Yes, this program spans three administrations, and spiritually the push to use commercial contractors dates back to at least 1984.
- evilduck 2y ago
  What part of their duties and authority would lead you to think that? https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/12/01/executive-order-on-the-national-space-council/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases...
- Tuna-Fish 2y ago
  The contract was awarded to Boeing in 2011.
Majromax 2y ago
> I fail to understand how they can’t come down in a Dragon while Starliner returns unmanned. It's not like there are Dragon capsules just floating around up there. Right now, the one docked to the ISS is earmarked for the return of Crew 8. The next one up will bring Crew 9, and it needs to stay on-orbit for their return. The Dragon capsules hold 4 people, so if these Starliner astronauts need to come down on a Dragon then Crew 9 will have to drop by two in order to equalize the number of astronauts and seats.
- api 2y ago
  They would have to send one up unmanned. Cargo dragon flies unmanned so surely crew dragon can. Expensive but better than losing the crew. Send Boeing the bill. Not really kidding.

by api 2y ago

valianteffort 2y ago

You don't think the chair of the space council bears some responsibility here? How about the border czar for the state of the border?

mft_ 2y ago
Let's turn the question around: do you think the Chair of the Space Council is directly responsible for operational decisions related to complex engineering issues on a developmental space capsule? I suspect (with heavy irony) that such decisions are delegated to, well... NASA; and indeed, were they not, there's a problem with the whole setup.
- b112 2y ago
  Wasn't the whole Boeing thing, the contract, setup during a prior administration?
  - khuey 2y ago
    Yes, this program spans three administrations, and spiritually the push to use commercial contractors dates back to at least 1984.
evilduck 2y ago
What part of their duties and authority would lead you to think that? https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/12/01/executive-order-on-the-national-space-council/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases...
Tuna-Fish 2y ago
The contract was awarded to Boeing in 2011.

Majromax 2y ago

> I fail to understand how they can’t come down in a Dragon while Starliner returns unmanned. It's not like there are Dragon capsules just floating around up there. Right now, the one docked to the ISS is earmarked for the return of Crew 8. The next one up will bring Crew 9, and it needs to stay on-orbit for their return. The Dragon capsules hold 4 people, so if these Starliner astronauts need to come down on a Dragon then Crew 9 will have to drop by two in order to equalize the number of astronauts and seats.

api 2y ago
They would have to send one up unmanned. Cargo dragon flies unmanned so surely crew dragon can. Expensive but better than losing the crew. Send Boeing the bill. Not really kidding.