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More simply: people who grow up hungry learn to eat whenever they can because being hungry is awful It doesn’t even need to generalize. This is just a basic fo

More simply: people who grow up hungry learn to eat whenever they can because being hungry is awful It doesn’t even need to generalize. This is just a basic food security thing and is part of the reason why obesity is counter intuitively common among people who suffer from food insecurity.

searealist 2y ago
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- telgareith 2y ago
  "Not even wrong"
- KittenInABox 2y ago
  Cost of food has grown significantly just in the past year or two. In 2022 alone, there was a 45% increase in food insecurity in children of the USA. [0] 0. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/10/26/1208760054/food-insecurity-families-struggle-hunger-poverty https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/10/26/1208760...
  - searealist 2y ago
    Common sense says kids are not growing up hungry. If you look at actual times when they were, like the great depression, kids were rail thin. The opposite is true now. If you read the fine print on these reports they usually boil down to something like: “there is not enough variety in the household”.
    - jncfhnb 2y ago
      You’re being presented with literal statistics on food insecurity and ignoring what you’re being told. Many people are both food insecure AND fat because food insecurity drives people to eat as much as they can because of the fear of being hungry later.
      - azinman2 2y ago
        It's not really eat as much as you can, more eat low quality ultra processed foods that are high in empty calories and low in nutrients.
        borski 2y ago
        It’s actually both. It ends up being “eat as much as you can of low quality ultra processed foods that are high in empty calories and low in nutrients,” because that is what is inexpensive
        jncfhnb 2y ago
        This statement is correct. Don’t downvote it. It also compounds as calorically dense ultra processed foods lack the nutritional content make you stay full
      - searealist 2y ago
        The definition of food security was changed in 2006 to eliminate any reference to hunger. > Low food security—Households reduced the quality, variety, and desirability of their diets, but the quantity of food intake and normal eating patterns were not substantially disrupted. [1] In other words, by new definitions, if you ever reduce the quality, variety, or even desirability of your food throughout the year, you are considered food insecure. EDIT: It looks like I'm not allowed to post in this thread anymore. I am quoting the USDA website. Nothing is cherry-picked. I've added a citation. [1] https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/food-nutrition-assistance/food-security-in-the-u-s/measurement https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/food-nutrition-assistance/fo...
        jncfhnb 2y ago
        Decline in food quality is ostensibly a decline in food security. But any sensible design would not use that as a threshold for defining food security. Rather than appealing to some unnamed source’s cherry picked definition, you would do better to look at an actual study of food security and see how it was defined. Because a very small amount of common sense suggests to me it’s not what you’re saying.
    - arp242 2y ago
      You can be hungry and not rail thin. The notion that you need to be starving from malnutrition to be hungry is rather ridiculous. I was hungry as a child and teenager. This involved things such as not having any food prepared for school, and not having money to buy something myself. Yes, we had dinner, and no, I wasn't starving to death or rail thin. But I was also hungry.
- therealdkz 2y ago
  source?
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IanCal 2y ago
Is that from the study or your interpretation? Being hungry is a lot more of a threshold thing than income.
- jncfhnb 2y ago
  I’m not sure what you’re trying to claim. Poverty is obviously well correlated with food insecurity.
  - adrianN 2y ago
    That depends on the country. In rich countries it is rare for poor people to go hungry because food is cheap compared to median income and poverty is defined relative to median income.
    - orwin 2y ago
      Counterpoint: I've visited the US. Poor children go hungry there, at least in WV. I've talked with a teacher who baked white rice everyday to give it to 3 children in her class, since they couldn't afford the school's restaurant and didn't had lunch.
      - HideousKojima 2y ago
        Every public school in the US has free school linches for those in extreme poverty. This is especially true in more poverty striken areas (like West Virginia): https://www.fns.usda.gov/nslp https://www.fns.usda.gov/nslp
        zamfi 2y ago
        Some of these programs require household application, which may be to high a barrier for some students. That teacher's support might be vital to a hungry 8yo whose parents can't/won't/don't fill out the form?
        2y ago
fragmede 2y ago
yeah but that's too simple. as an adult who wants to live as long as possible, if I have to choose between eating one meal today or being able to eating two meals next week, I'm going to ask who the psychopath is that's imprisoned us, because we live in normal world and why would I ever be in that sort of a situation? Seriously, think back to as early as you can possibly remember, then as the marshmallow question. then ask it again to yourself, again and again, until your parents bringing you into a strange room with some weirdos, saying these are your parents now and have a marshmallow, isn't traumatizing
1659447091 2y ago
An extreme personal observation of this was my grandmother, who grew up during the Great Depression with 9 siblings. They managed better than most and helped out neighbors (having both land and descending from farmers); she would in her later years (when I knew her) have massive stockpiles of processed long-shelf life food stored everywhere. Also, all the pickled/preserved food from her garden that was left over. For the longest time, I thought it was common to have multiple freezers, and a couple fridges, in a garage stocked with food. Including, months old leftovers from cooking enough of whatever soup/stew for 4-5 full families.
to11mtm 2y ago
It's true but it winds up carrying in weird ways. (my family history is awkward but suffice to say the main reason we weren't called out for being broke all the time was a factor of my mother being very involved in communities... perhaps it was her penance for her actions in causing the situation in the first place?) On top of my family history, treatment for what was then-misdiagnosed ADHD caused me to literally lose just about everything but my job and car in 2011... Lots of months eating ramen, cereal on sale, and baked beans. As an example: my parents bought used Dodge/Plymouth/Chrysler products and my brothers first used Jeep wound up being a hot mess that caused a large blast radius. I purchase the cheapest 'new' vehicle that fits my needs [0] and only bought one used car (as a backup for all the fun accidents my ex-wife got into.) As another more painful example: My first few years in the workforce alongside student loan debt, then alongside the 2008 crash, on top of my adolescent observations an helping my now-ex-wife through college, caused me to wait way way way to long to start contributing to my future retirement. Semi-positive counterpoints: 1. I buy stuff that lasts, it takes more research and sometimes more up front but as I get older it saves me more and more money compared to people who live in a more disposable culture. I'm not afraid to shop/wait for deals and I make sure to think about every major purchase I make. I take good care of stuff I own. 2. I've been able to learn how to fix a -lot- of stuff (working at a bike shop helped) and it has both saved me money and save waste in general. 3. I can fit all of my mementos -and- important stuff including work desk (aside from bed/couch/etc) in a portable storage unit if needed. [0] - Except the WRX, that was a 'my life is in a terrible spot but I survived a year'. OTOH I got a base model with only a couple options and it was <30k before taxes. > part of the reason why obesity is counter intuitively common among people who suffer from food insecurity. Bigger elephant in that room is the nutritional content provided to people in that category as well as access to that nutrition.
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cvwright 2y ago
True, but we are living through an obesity epidemic, and it’s not just the rich people who are fat.

searealist 2y ago

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telgareith 2y ago
"Not even wrong"
KittenInABox 2y ago
Cost of food has grown significantly just in the past year or two. In 2022 alone, there was a 45% increase in food insecurity in children of the USA. [0] 0. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/10/26/1208760054/food-insecurity-families-struggle-hunger-poverty https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/10/26/1208760...
- searealist 2y ago
  Common sense says kids are not growing up hungry. If you look at actual times when they were, like the great depression, kids were rail thin. The opposite is true now. If you read the fine print on these reports they usually boil down to something like: “there is not enough variety in the household”.
  - jncfhnb 2y ago
    You’re being presented with literal statistics on food insecurity and ignoring what you’re being told. Many people are both food insecure AND fat because food insecurity drives people to eat as much as they can because of the fear of being hungry later.
    - azinman2 2y ago
      It's not really eat as much as you can, more eat low quality ultra processed foods that are high in empty calories and low in nutrients.
      - borski 2y ago
        It’s actually both. It ends up being “eat as much as you can of low quality ultra processed foods that are high in empty calories and low in nutrients,” because that is what is inexpensive
        jncfhnb 2y ago
        This statement is correct. Don’t downvote it. It also compounds as calorically dense ultra processed foods lack the nutritional content make you stay full
    - searealist 2y ago
      The definition of food security was changed in 2006 to eliminate any reference to hunger. > Low food security—Households reduced the quality, variety, and desirability of their diets, but the quantity of food intake and normal eating patterns were not substantially disrupted. [1] In other words, by new definitions, if you ever reduce the quality, variety, or even desirability of your food throughout the year, you are considered food insecure. EDIT: It looks like I'm not allowed to post in this thread anymore. I am quoting the USDA website. Nothing is cherry-picked. I've added a citation. [1] https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/food-nutrition-assistance/food-security-in-the-u-s/measurement https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/food-nutrition-assistance/fo...
      - jncfhnb 2y ago
        Decline in food quality is ostensibly a decline in food security. But any sensible design would not use that as a threshold for defining food security. Rather than appealing to some unnamed source’s cherry picked definition, you would do better to look at an actual study of food security and see how it was defined. Because a very small amount of common sense suggests to me it’s not what you’re saying.
  - arp242 2y ago
    You can be hungry and not rail thin. The notion that you need to be starving from malnutrition to be hungry is rather ridiculous. I was hungry as a child and teenager. This involved things such as not having any food prepared for school, and not having money to buy something myself. Yes, we had dinner, and no, I wasn't starving to death or rail thin. But I was also hungry.
therealdkz 2y ago
source?
- deleted 2y ago
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IanCal 2y ago

Is that from the study or your interpretation? Being hungry is a lot more of a threshold thing than income.

jncfhnb 2y ago
I’m not sure what you’re trying to claim. Poverty is obviously well correlated with food insecurity.
- adrianN 2y ago
  That depends on the country. In rich countries it is rare for poor people to go hungry because food is cheap compared to median income and poverty is defined relative to median income.
  - orwin 2y ago
    Counterpoint: I've visited the US. Poor children go hungry there, at least in WV. I've talked with a teacher who baked white rice everyday to give it to 3 children in her class, since they couldn't afford the school's restaurant and didn't had lunch.
    - HideousKojima 2y ago
      Every public school in the US has free school linches for those in extreme poverty. This is especially true in more poverty striken areas (like West Virginia): https://www.fns.usda.gov/nslp https://www.fns.usda.gov/nslp
      - zamfi 2y ago
        Some of these programs require household application, which may be to high a barrier for some students. That teacher's support might be vital to a hungry 8yo whose parents can't/won't/don't fill out the form?
        2y ago

fragmede 2y ago

yeah but that's too simple. as an adult who wants to live as long as possible, if I have to choose between eating one meal today or being able to eating two meals next week, I'm going to ask who the psychopath is that's imprisoned us, because we live in normal world and why would I ever be in that sort of a situation? Seriously, think back to as early as you can possibly remember, then as the marshmallow question. then ask it again to yourself, again and again, until your parents bringing you into a strange room with some weirdos, saying these are your parents now and have a marshmallow, isn't traumatizing

1659447091 2y ago

An extreme personal observation of this was my grandmother, who grew up during the Great Depression with 9 siblings. They managed better than most and helped out neighbors (having both land and descending from farmers); she would in her later years (when I knew her) have massive stockpiles of processed long-shelf life food stored everywhere. Also, all the pickled/preserved food from her garden that was left over. For the longest time, I thought it was common to have multiple freezers, and a couple fridges, in a garage stocked with food. Including, months old leftovers from cooking enough of whatever soup/stew for 4-5 full families.

to11mtm 2y ago

It's true but it winds up carrying in weird ways. (my family history is awkward but suffice to say the main reason we weren't called out for being broke all the time was a factor of my mother being very involved in communities... perhaps it was her penance for her actions in causing the situation in the first place?) On top of my family history, treatment for what was then-misdiagnosed ADHD caused me to literally lose just about everything but my job and car in 2011... Lots of months eating ramen, cereal on sale, and baked beans. As an example: my parents bought used Dodge/Plymouth/Chrysler products and my brothers first used Jeep wound up being a hot mess that caused a large blast radius. I purchase the cheapest 'new' vehicle that fits my needs [0] and only bought one used car (as a backup for all the fun accidents my ex-wife got into.) As another more painful example: My first few years in the workforce alongside student loan debt, then alongside the 2008 crash, on top of my adolescent observations an helping my now-ex-wife through college, caused me to wait way way way to long to start contributing to my future retirement. Semi-positive counterpoints: 1. I buy stuff that lasts, it takes more research and sometimes more up front but as I get older it saves me more and more money compared to people who live in a more disposable culture. I'm not afraid to shop/wait for deals and I make sure to think about every major purchase I make. I take good care of stuff I own. 2. I've been able to learn how to fix a -lot- of stuff (working at a bike shop helped) and it has both saved me money and save waste in general. 3. I can fit all of my mementos -and- important stuff including work desk (aside from bed/couch/etc) in a portable storage unit if needed. [0] - Except the WRX, that was a 'my life is in a terrible spot but I survived a year'. OTOH I got a base model with only a couple options and it was <30k before taxes. > part of the reason why obesity is counter intuitively common among people who suffer from food insecurity. Bigger elephant in that room is the nutritional content provided to people in that category as well as access to that nutrition.

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cvwright 2y ago

True, but we are living through an obesity epidemic, and it’s not just the rich people who are fat.