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Well that sucks... and feels weird considering we all drink and smoke less than the old timers did.

by jppope 2y ago

drewcoo 2y ago
Incidence rates are detection rates. Does that suck less?
082349872349872 2y ago
> drink and smoke less It would make sense that if heart disease or emphysema (or for that matter, just some drunk driver) don't get you while younger, some cancer will get you while older?
toomuchtodo 2y ago
Obesity is a material contributing factor in cancer rates [1] [2] [3], although GLP-1 agonists are a potential mitigation against Western diet at scale [4]. Does not solve for PFAS, microplastics [5], and other potential environmental factors causing mutations that potentially lead to cancer unfortunately. Hopefully, we make immunotherapy progress faster than we poison ourselves with pollution and poor diet. [1] https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/obesity/obesity-fact-sheet https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/o... [2] https://www.who.int/azerbaijan/news/item/03-05-2022-obesity-causes-cancer-and-is-major-determinant-of-disability-and-death--warns-new-who-report https://www.who.int/azerbaijan/news/item/03-05-2022-obesity-... [3] https://www.wcrf.org/new-study-links-overweight-and-obesity-to-more-cancers-than-previously-shown/ https://www.wcrf.org/new-study-links-overweight-and-obesity-... [4] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41088421 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41088421 [5] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10340669/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10340669/
- Mistletoe 2y ago
  1960–1962: About 13% of adults were obese 1971–1974: About 5% of children were obese 1980: 13.4% of adults were obese 2008: 34.3% of adults were obese 2009–2010: 36% of adults were obese 2014: 36.5% of adults were obese 2017–2018: 42.4% of adults were obese A truly astonishing set of data. I assume this has never happened in human history at this scale.
  - tsunamifury 2y ago
    We are dying of abundance
    - ponector 2y ago
      Mostly Americans and some island nations. Many developed countries have much healthier people.
      - Mistletoe 2y ago
        I decided to check for Finland, a country I’ve often fantasized about moving to since it often scores very highly on happiness maps. > As of December 2023, Finland's obesity rate is 27% for men and 30% for women, with a body mass index (BMI) above the obesity threshold of 30 kg/m2. This is higher than the EU average and has increased significantly in recent decades. Obesity is most prevalent among people aged 40–64, with one in three in this age group being obese. Abdominal obesity is also common, affecting almost half of adults. It seems to be quite bad other places too.
        protomolecule 2y ago
        >Finland ... often scores very highly on happiness maps. A Finnish comedian has something to say about that) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt94AnJ8urA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt94AnJ8urA
        ghnws 2y ago
        Sedetary life style combined with lots of sausages, red meat an butter does that to a people. Alcohol is also a huge problem in Finland. Not uncommon for men to drink beer daily.
      - reducesuffering 2y ago
        It's getting worse everywhere: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-of-adults-defined-as-obese?tab=chart&country=USA~WHO_AMR~WHO_EUR~WHO_AFR~WHO_EMR~WHO_SEAR~WHO_WPAC https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-of-adults-defined-a...
- oldpersonintx 2y ago
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danybittel 2y ago
But we eat more. People often seem to not realize that overweight is a risk factor for cancer.
isoprophlex 2y ago
However, ultra-processed foods are at an all time high for the most recent birth cohort in the study
verisimi 2y ago
It's almost like the massive health industry isn't helping at all, and is more interested in making profit off the long term ill.
fguerraz 2y ago
Or, it could just be that everything is self-explanatory: higher incidence because of better and earlier diagnosis, and incidentally lower fatality rate because cancers are chaught earlier.
haunter 2y ago
> all drink and smoke less than the old timers did I’m not even sure about that.
Refusing23 2y ago
diet has changed. a lot more processed foods and drinks. hell, even cooking oils are kinda 'new' and barely existed 100 years ago

Well that sucks... and feels weird considering we all drink and smoke less than the old timers did.

by jppope 2y ago

Well that sucks... and feels weird considering we all drink and smoke less than the old timers did.

drewcoo 2y ago

Incidence rates are detection rates. Does that suck less?

082349872349872 2y ago

> drink and smoke less It would make sense that if heart disease or emphysema (or for that matter, just some drunk driver) don't get you while younger, some cancer will get you while older?

toomuchtodo 2y ago

Obesity is a material contributing factor in cancer rates [1] [2] [3], although GLP-1 agonists are a potential mitigation against Western diet at scale [4]. Does not solve for PFAS, microplastics [5], and other potential environmental factors causing mutations that potentially lead to cancer unfortunately. Hopefully, we make immunotherapy progress faster than we poison ourselves with pollution and poor diet. [1] https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/obesity/obesity-fact-sheet https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/o... [2] https://www.who.int/azerbaijan/news/item/03-05-2022-obesity-causes-cancer-and-is-major-determinant-of-disability-and-death--warns-new-who-report https://www.who.int/azerbaijan/news/item/03-05-2022-obesity-... [3] https://www.wcrf.org/new-study-links-overweight-and-obesity-to-more-cancers-than-previously-shown/ https://www.wcrf.org/new-study-links-overweight-and-obesity-... [4] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41088421 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41088421 [5] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10340669/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10340669/

Mistletoe 2y ago
1960–1962: About 13% of adults were obese 1971–1974: About 5% of children were obese 1980: 13.4% of adults were obese 2008: 34.3% of adults were obese 2009–2010: 36% of adults were obese 2014: 36.5% of adults were obese 2017–2018: 42.4% of adults were obese A truly astonishing set of data. I assume this has never happened in human history at this scale.
- tsunamifury 2y ago
  We are dying of abundance
  - ponector 2y ago
    Mostly Americans and some island nations. Many developed countries have much healthier people.
    - Mistletoe 2y ago
      I decided to check for Finland, a country I’ve often fantasized about moving to since it often scores very highly on happiness maps. > As of December 2023, Finland's obesity rate is 27% for men and 30% for women, with a body mass index (BMI) above the obesity threshold of 30 kg/m2. This is higher than the EU average and has increased significantly in recent decades. Obesity is most prevalent among people aged 40–64, with one in three in this age group being obese. Abdominal obesity is also common, affecting almost half of adults. It seems to be quite bad other places too.
      - protomolecule 2y ago
        >Finland ... often scores very highly on happiness maps. A Finnish comedian has something to say about that) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt94AnJ8urA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt94AnJ8urA
      - ghnws 2y ago
        Sedetary life style combined with lots of sausages, red meat an butter does that to a people. Alcohol is also a huge problem in Finland. Not uncommon for men to drink beer daily.
    - reducesuffering 2y ago
      It's getting worse everywhere: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-of-adults-defined-as-obese?tab=chart&country=USA~WHO_AMR~WHO_EUR~WHO_AFR~WHO_EMR~WHO_SEAR~WHO_WPAC https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-of-adults-defined-a...
oldpersonintx 2y ago
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danybittel 2y ago

But we eat more. People often seem to not realize that overweight is a risk factor for cancer.

isoprophlex 2y ago

However, ultra-processed foods are at an all time high for the most recent birth cohort in the study

verisimi 2y ago

It's almost like the massive health industry isn't helping at all, and is more interested in making profit off the long term ill.

fguerraz 2y ago

Or, it could just be that everything is self-explanatory: higher incidence because of better and earlier diagnosis, and incidentally lower fatality rate because cancers are chaught earlier.

haunter 2y ago

> all drink and smoke less than the old timers did I’m not even sure about that.

Refusing23 2y ago

diet has changed. a lot more processed foods and drinks. hell, even cooking oils are kinda 'new' and barely existed 100 years ago