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I was reviewing the Android world, apparently if you want updates you either pick google, samsung or lineageos or grapheneos (still google). Now, if you pick t

I was reviewing the Android world, apparently if you want updates you either pick google, samsung or lineageos or grapheneos (still google). Now, if you pick the first 2,you get tracking. if you pick the other two, you are banned from various apps and functionality even if the phone is not rooted because "there is no megacorp backing you up". This is really, really bad. Equivalent to the linux secureboot issue that could have been.

yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
> I was reviewing the Android world, apparently if you want updates you either pick google, samsung or lineageos or grapheneos (still google). What do you mean? Plenty of ROMs get regular updates on a variety of hardware.
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
  Yes, sorry I should have specified, they are all affected by the same problem though: no hardware attestation
udev4096 2y ago
It's certainly not the case with GrapheneOS. I have hardly faced any issues with the apps that I use. And if it's complaining about not having play services, you can install sandboxed play services on a new profile
- TheCoelacanth 2y ago
  Most apps work fine, but certain cases like NFC payments generally don't because those apps require that you are using an OS that is signed by someone on their allow-list.
- solarkraft 2y ago
  Even with the maximum of proprietary services I just about got reliable location sensing while outside. Still much worse than on iOS/stock Android. Banking did work however, kudos for that.
- corney91 2y ago
  On GrapheneOS, I have one banking app that works, and one that doesn't because of the linked issue. Hilariously the message in the app says I can't be signed in because it's detected the phone is "jailbroken/rooted" and I "can still use our mobile site". The phone is not jailbroken or rooted, and using the mobile site on the same "untrustworthy" device is just as risky...
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
  As far as I'm aware, it is not possible to use google pay on grapheneos because of device attestation
- sliken 2y ago
  Unless you want tap to pay with google wallet.
DANmode 2y ago
Always ask, where this comes up: What apps are you using that won't work on GrapheneOS? I can't find any that anyone actually needs.
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
  Netflix, my banking app, google pay
  - DANmode 2y ago
    Browser, browser, Google OS only (enforced via whitelist).
    - Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
      I tested netflix in firefox mobile and chrome and it does not work (i have ab old phone, oneplus 5t)
  - Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
    Can you cast it from the browser? And doesn't support offline, which is important when traveling (the only moment I would use netflix on the phone) And the banking app can scan checks, but the web version cannot. Unfortunately in north America we still live in the 90s and checks are still widely used. And yeah, cut out of google pay. Which there is no reason to, given grapheneos is outright safer
  - l11r 2y ago
    Just tried Netflix, it works perfectly.
- sliken 2y ago
  Google wallet for tap to pay.
  - deleted 2y ago
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yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago

> I was reviewing the Android world, apparently if you want updates you either pick google, samsung or lineageos or grapheneos (still google). What do you mean? Plenty of ROMs get regular updates on a variety of hardware.

Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
Yes, sorry I should have specified, they are all affected by the same problem though: no hardware attestation

udev4096 2y ago

It's certainly not the case with GrapheneOS. I have hardly faced any issues with the apps that I use. And if it's complaining about not having play services, you can install sandboxed play services on a new profile

TheCoelacanth 2y ago
Most apps work fine, but certain cases like NFC payments generally don't because those apps require that you are using an OS that is signed by someone on their allow-list.
solarkraft 2y ago
Even with the maximum of proprietary services I just about got reliable location sensing while outside. Still much worse than on iOS/stock Android. Banking did work however, kudos for that.
corney91 2y ago
On GrapheneOS, I have one banking app that works, and one that doesn't because of the linked issue. Hilariously the message in the app says I can't be signed in because it's detected the phone is "jailbroken/rooted" and I "can still use our mobile site". The phone is not jailbroken or rooted, and using the mobile site on the same "untrustworthy" device is just as risky...
Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
As far as I'm aware, it is not possible to use google pay on grapheneos because of device attestation
sliken 2y ago
Unless you want tap to pay with google wallet.

DANmode 2y ago

Always ask, where this comes up: What apps are you using that won't work on GrapheneOS? I can't find any that anyone actually needs.

Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
Netflix, my banking app, google pay
- DANmode 2y ago
  Browser, browser, Google OS only (enforced via whitelist).
  - Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
    I tested netflix in firefox mobile and chrome and it does not work (i have ab old phone, oneplus 5t)
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
  Can you cast it from the browser? And doesn't support offline, which is important when traveling (the only moment I would use netflix on the phone) And the banking app can scan checks, but the web version cannot. Unfortunately in north America we still live in the 90s and checks are still widely used. And yeah, cut out of google pay. Which there is no reason to, given grapheneos is outright safer
- l11r 2y ago
  Just tried Netflix, it works perfectly.
sliken 2y ago
Google wallet for tap to pay.
- deleted 2y ago
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