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The feature I miss most about Dark Sky was that it allowed you to visualize changes in dew point throughout the day. Where I live (US East Coast), the weather

by g_sch 2y ago

The feature I miss most about Dark Sky was that it allowed you to visualize changes in dew point throughout the day. Where I live (US East Coast), the weather can feel dramatically different depending on the humidity. Relative Humidity has always felt to me like a poor way of measuring how humid the weather will feel. For example, 50% RH at 84ºF will feel lightly humid and generally pleasant, whereas 50% RH at at 97ºF will feel like a swamp. The dew points at those respective points - 63ºF and 75ºF - do a much better job at immediately conveying how humid the air will feel. Dark Sky used to show hourly dew point graphs that you could browse throughout the week and see when the humidity would break (or return). Apple Weather does show you the dew point, but only when you select a point on the RH graph. So to track the dew point over the coming week, you basically need to drag your finger over each day's graph and observe the changing numbers. I think this is probably just due to the lack of general awareness about how dew point is a more elegant shorthand for "absolute humidity" than any other weather metric currently in use. I hope there will be more of us in the future!

jachee 2y ago
Relative Humidity is directly tied to the dew point. Take a look back at the humidity forecast and look right under the humidity percentage. The dew point is there. If you tap a point in the future on the graph of forecast changes, the dew point is also registered there.
- g_sch 2y ago
  Yes, but what I'd really like to see is a visual graph of the dew point over the course of a day. The graph currently only shows RH%, and the only way to see how the dew point will change over the course of a day is to drag your finger over the RH% graph and watch the dew point number change.
- Leftium 2y ago
  - Relative humidity is also directly tied to the current temperature. (Warmer air can hold more moisture.) - The dew point is independent from the temperature, so it is effectively a measure of "absolute humidity." - While both measurements have their advantages, I find dew point a better indicator of the "mugginess." Also it is easier to estimate the relative humidity given the dew point vs. estimate the dew point given the relative humidity. - You can compare both here: https://weather-sense.leftium.com https://weather-sense.leftium.com (humidity plot disabled, but the value can be checked by hovering.)
jmbwell 2y ago
Here in Houston as well, dew point is as important as temperature and %PoP. Apple Weather suffices for now but I hope it gets richer with the various types of data that are of greater relevance in different regions.
password4321 2y ago
Good idea! I just added humidity to my home screen widget using https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cloud3squared.meteogram https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cloud3squa...
travisluis 2y ago
I too miss the dew point feature. The best replacement for Dark Sky I've found is this 10-day view of Weather Underground that's unfortunately only available on their website—I just bookmark the website on my phone home screen. https://www.wunderground.com/forecast/us/tx/austin/30.27,-97.74 https://www.wunderground.com/forecast/us/tx/austin/30.27,-97...
- ck2 2y ago
  They are basically collapsing the weather gov plots into a single graph or two (weather gov data is open/free, you can pull it down and plot anyway you want) https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?FcstType=graphical&textField1=30.27&textField2=-97.74 https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?FcstType=graphical...
- havaloc 2y ago
  https://www.windy.com/-Menu/menu?dewpoint https://www.windy.com/-Menu/menu?dewpoint Windy.com to the rescue for dewpoint lovers.
  - Izkata 2y ago
    Dew point is on Wunderground, you have to click the "Customize" button and check the box. And yes, it does remember across visits.
- Izkata 2y ago
  > that's unfortunately only available on their website A very old version of their Android app had that view as a 3-day widget for the home screen. Right after it was bought they did a major upgrade and removed a ton of functionality, that widget included.
- cyberpunk 2y ago
  Carrot weather has dewpoint graphs (depending on source used).
MollyRealized 2y ago
I am completely with you. For me, I've written myself a Google Apps script - to be more accurate, AI did, but with my interaction - that e-mails a "humidity forecast" as to how wet the next six days are going to feel to me in a simple way. I don't know who came up with the categories I've placed them in - it seemed to be common weather information. https://github.com/mollyrealized/humid-fcast/blob/main/Code.gs https://github.com/mollyrealized/humid-fcast/blob/main/Code....
Leftium 2y ago
https://weather-sense.leftium.com https://weather-sense.leftium.com My web app plots hourly dew point for the next 24 hours, next 7 days, and past 2 days. (Still WIP.) Inspired by https://merrysky.net https://merrysky.net (can also plot dew point), which was inspired by Dark Sky.
- simlevesque 2y ago
  I like your app. I'm planning a trip next week and it was so easy to see the next few days.
  - Leftium 2y ago
    Great! Until UI for setting the location is implemented, you can set the location with the `n` (or `name`) URL parameter like this: - https://weather-sense.leftium.com/?n=90210 https://weather-sense.leftium.com/?n=90210 - https://weather-sense.leftium.com/?n=new+york https://weather-sense.leftium.com/?n=new+york
    - simlevesque 2y ago
      You seem to know what you are doing, but I have to say that the map's colors make it really hard to see the radar data. Also the toggle on hover for the day selection is not easy on desktop and very hard on mobile. I'd prefer a simple toggle.
      - Leftium 2y ago
        Thanks for the feedback. I picked the Watercolor map style[1] because it looked pretty and the detail from other styles wasn't needed (like street names). Then I picked The Weather Channel radar color scheme[2] because the green-to-red gradients seemed to contrast well with the Watercolor map style. What map style/radar color scheme combination would you prefer? Perhaps I can make this configurable... (Is there any chance there simply was no precipitation on your map?) --- I am not sure what you mean by "toggle on hover." Hover is meant to work without any toggling. The yellow line indicates which stats are currently being shown. Ideally, when the mouse cursor is over a timeline, it shows the stats for that time. Otherwise the stats for the current condition are shown. Sometimes the hover is a little buggy; click + dragging on the timeline or click + dragging outside a timeline usually fixes it. Usually it works better on mobile! If your finger is touching a timeline, that is considered hovering. Otherwise the current stats are shown. [1]: https://stadiamaps.com/themes https://stadiamaps.com/themes [2]: https://www.rainviewer.com/weather-radar-map-live.html https://www.rainviewer.com/weather-radar-map-live.html
bsimpson 2y ago
I'm moving to NYC tomorrow, after spending my entire life on the West Coast. Thanks for teaching me about dew point (and to the commenters below you for letting me know there's a free Dark Sky clone - merrysky.net - and a dew point graph on Weather Underground)!

by g_sch 2y ago

jachee 2y ago

Relative Humidity is directly tied to the dew point. Take a look back at the humidity forecast and look right under the humidity percentage. The dew point is there. If you tap a point in the future on the graph of forecast changes, the dew point is also registered there.

g_sch 2y ago
Yes, but what I'd really like to see is a visual graph of the dew point over the course of a day. The graph currently only shows RH%, and the only way to see how the dew point will change over the course of a day is to drag your finger over the RH% graph and watch the dew point number change.
Leftium 2y ago
- Relative humidity is also directly tied to the current temperature. (Warmer air can hold more moisture.) - The dew point is independent from the temperature, so it is effectively a measure of "absolute humidity." - While both measurements have their advantages, I find dew point a better indicator of the "mugginess." Also it is easier to estimate the relative humidity given the dew point vs. estimate the dew point given the relative humidity. - You can compare both here: https://weather-sense.leftium.com https://weather-sense.leftium.com (humidity plot disabled, but the value can be checked by hovering.)

jmbwell 2y ago

Here in Houston as well, dew point is as important as temperature and %PoP. Apple Weather suffices for now but I hope it gets richer with the various types of data that are of greater relevance in different regions.

password4321 2y ago

Good idea! I just added humidity to my home screen widget using https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cloud3squared.meteogram https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cloud3squa...

travisluis 2y ago

I too miss the dew point feature. The best replacement for Dark Sky I've found is this 10-day view of Weather Underground that's unfortunately only available on their website—I just bookmark the website on my phone home screen. https://www.wunderground.com/forecast/us/tx/austin/30.27,-97.74 https://www.wunderground.com/forecast/us/tx/austin/30.27,-97...

ck2 2y ago
They are basically collapsing the weather gov plots into a single graph or two (weather gov data is open/free, you can pull it down and plot anyway you want) https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?FcstType=graphical&textField1=30.27&textField2=-97.74 https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?FcstType=graphical...
havaloc 2y ago
https://www.windy.com/-Menu/menu?dewpoint https://www.windy.com/-Menu/menu?dewpoint Windy.com to the rescue for dewpoint lovers.
- Izkata 2y ago
  Dew point is on Wunderground, you have to click the "Customize" button and check the box. And yes, it does remember across visits.
Izkata 2y ago
> that's unfortunately only available on their website A very old version of their Android app had that view as a 3-day widget for the home screen. Right after it was bought they did a major upgrade and removed a ton of functionality, that widget included.
cyberpunk 2y ago
Carrot weather has dewpoint graphs (depending on source used).

MollyRealized 2y ago

I am completely with you. For me, I've written myself a Google Apps script - to be more accurate, AI did, but with my interaction - that e-mails a "humidity forecast" as to how wet the next six days are going to feel to me in a simple way. I don't know who came up with the categories I've placed them in - it seemed to be common weather information. https://github.com/mollyrealized/humid-fcast/blob/main/Code.gs https://github.com/mollyrealized/humid-fcast/blob/main/Code....

Leftium 2y ago

https://weather-sense.leftium.com https://weather-sense.leftium.com My web app plots hourly dew point for the next 24 hours, next 7 days, and past 2 days. (Still WIP.) Inspired by https://merrysky.net https://merrysky.net (can also plot dew point), which was inspired by Dark Sky.

simlevesque 2y ago
I like your app. I'm planning a trip next week and it was so easy to see the next few days.
- Leftium 2y ago
  Great! Until UI for setting the location is implemented, you can set the location with the `n` (or `name`) URL parameter like this: - https://weather-sense.leftium.com/?n=90210 https://weather-sense.leftium.com/?n=90210 - https://weather-sense.leftium.com/?n=new+york https://weather-sense.leftium.com/?n=new+york
  - simlevesque 2y ago
    You seem to know what you are doing, but I have to say that the map's colors make it really hard to see the radar data. Also the toggle on hover for the day selection is not easy on desktop and very hard on mobile. I'd prefer a simple toggle.
    - Leftium 2y ago
      Thanks for the feedback. I picked the Watercolor map style[1] because it looked pretty and the detail from other styles wasn't needed (like street names). Then I picked The Weather Channel radar color scheme[2] because the green-to-red gradients seemed to contrast well with the Watercolor map style. What map style/radar color scheme combination would you prefer? Perhaps I can make this configurable... (Is there any chance there simply was no precipitation on your map?) --- I am not sure what you mean by "toggle on hover." Hover is meant to work without any toggling. The yellow line indicates which stats are currently being shown. Ideally, when the mouse cursor is over a timeline, it shows the stats for that time. Otherwise the stats for the current condition are shown. Sometimes the hover is a little buggy; click + dragging on the timeline or click + dragging outside a timeline usually fixes it. Usually it works better on mobile! If your finger is touching a timeline, that is considered hovering. Otherwise the current stats are shown. [1]: https://stadiamaps.com/themes https://stadiamaps.com/themes [2]: https://www.rainviewer.com/weather-radar-map-live.html https://www.rainviewer.com/weather-radar-map-live.html

bsimpson 2y ago

I'm moving to NYC tomorrow, after spending my entire life on the West Coast. Thanks for teaching me about dew point (and to the commenters below you for letting me know there's a free Dark Sky clone - merrysky.net - and a dew point graph on Weather Underground)!