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> for violating our rules against evading suspension This has been the catch-all reason for all social media when banning anybody - it seems ingenuous when it'

> for violating our rules against evading suspension This has been the catch-all reason for all social media when banning anybody - it seems ingenuous when it's applied to an account that goes against the politics of the owner, but it's been around for a long time, and seems to be applied politically evenly. I wish there were some way to have some transparency around when this rule is applied - on all social media, regardless of the political leanings of the owner(s).

gruez 2y ago
Is there more on why he was suspended in the first place?
- dragontamer 2y ago
  It seems pretty obvious that Elon Musk doesn't like this group. Twitter is perfectly allowed to do this. But we, the overall public, do not have to give our eyeballs or give high opinions to Twitter in return. If Twitter wants to turn itself into a far-right wing social media site, its their money their rules. But its up to the people to exodus and find alternatives. Almost all social media (be it small IRC nodes to larger Digg / Slashdot / etc. etc.) have all had their "Exodus" events over much smaller controversies than this.
  - blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
    > It seems pretty obvious that Elon Musk doesn't like this group What makes it “obvious” that this was due to someone disliking this group? > If Twitter wants to turn itself into a far-right wing social media site Come on - far right? It is more accurate to say that Facebook, TikTok, Reddit, etc are far left in how blatantly they censor opinions on so many current issues whether it is gender identity or lab leak theory whatever. Twitter is closer to the middle now but still not right wing. > Twitter is perfectly allowed to do this Maybe they’re technically allowed but they shouldn’t be. All these platforms with hundreds of millions of users are just common carriers. They’re telecom utilities carrying the digital public square, and should be regulated to accept all legal speech.
    - dragontamer 2y ago
      > What makes it “obvious” that this was due to someone disliking this group? Same reason for all the other Twitter bans over the last two years. Elon Musk controls Twitter. Then he bans lawyers and kids (who track airplanes legally). Its not about legally correct anymore, its about what Elon Musk likes or doesn't like. Its 2024. Elon's been in control of Twitter for nearly 2 years now. You think we haven't figured out the pattern yet? Even a "blessed" pro-Elon simp gets banned because he uses Substack (and Elon suddenly starts to hate Substack Notes for pushing into Twitter's Spaces, if you pardon my pun). Its Elon's Twitter now. That's fine, he paid $44 Billion for it. Good luck getting advertisers now though. > Twitter is closer to the middle now but still not right wing. Dude. Elon just endorsed Donald Trump and is using Twitter to openly attack Kamala right now with AI Deepfakes. The idea that this space is anywhere close to neutral is laughable. And the idea that Elon Musk is bound by the rules of Twitter or can reasonably be a neutral party when he's in 100% control of the platform is also laughable. There's no pretend neutrality on this platform anymore. He's gone full mask-off now. ------- Are AI Deepfakes of politicians saying fake things allowed? Of course not. Except if you're Elon. That's the rule. "If Elon Likes it, it stays. If Elon doesn't, it goes".
      - blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
        > You think we haven't figured out the pattern yet? But where is the evidence for your claimed reason for this particular ban? It doesn’t sound like you have any so this fits the modern definition of conspiracy theory. Also, what you’re calling a pattern is just a small set of anecdotes that have other possible explanations. Or at least that’s how HN would respond to this line of reasoning typically. Look I understand where you’re coming from, but I am asking you to hold to the same standards that the political left, who controls virtually all other technology platforms (and Twitter in the past), demands of the center and right when they complain about censorship. Otherwise all the labels used to dismiss legitimate speculation, like “conspiracy theory”, should apply here no? > Good luck getting advertisers now though. If I follow your reasoning, it sounds like you’re saying that the big advertising firms are controlled by the political left and would respond to this “pattern” by pulling ads for their clients. That might be true. But do we want a society where expression is suppressed in this way? It undermines the principles of free speech even if it is technically legal.
  - lelanthran 2y ago
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JohnnyHerz 2y ago
feels like turnabout fair play to me as i sit here eating my bowl of popcorn... Twitter was biased against Conservatives and the Right screamed and cried foul. X is biased against Liberals and the Left screams and cries foul. (Shrug)
- seattle_spring 2y ago
  Except evidence and independent audits [1][2] regularly showed that conservative viewpoints were actually moderated away less than left wing views, specifically because of the constant cries of censorship. At best, recent research shows insufficient evidence of bias in either direction [3]. [1] https://www.cjr.org/the_media_today/platform-bias.php https://www.cjr.org/the_media_today/platform-bias.php [2] https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/26/censorship-conservatives-social-media-432643 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/26/censorship-conserva... [3] https://itif.org/publications/2023/10/26/the-facts-behind-allegations-of-political-bias-on-social-media/ https://itif.org/publications/2023/10/26/the-facts-behind-al...

gruez 2y ago

Is there more on why he was suspended in the first place?

dragontamer 2y ago
It seems pretty obvious that Elon Musk doesn't like this group. Twitter is perfectly allowed to do this. But we, the overall public, do not have to give our eyeballs or give high opinions to Twitter in return. If Twitter wants to turn itself into a far-right wing social media site, its their money their rules. But its up to the people to exodus and find alternatives. Almost all social media (be it small IRC nodes to larger Digg / Slashdot / etc. etc.) have all had their "Exodus" events over much smaller controversies than this.
- blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
  > It seems pretty obvious that Elon Musk doesn't like this group What makes it “obvious” that this was due to someone disliking this group? > If Twitter wants to turn itself into a far-right wing social media site Come on - far right? It is more accurate to say that Facebook, TikTok, Reddit, etc are far left in how blatantly they censor opinions on so many current issues whether it is gender identity or lab leak theory whatever. Twitter is closer to the middle now but still not right wing. > Twitter is perfectly allowed to do this Maybe they’re technically allowed but they shouldn’t be. All these platforms with hundreds of millions of users are just common carriers. They’re telecom utilities carrying the digital public square, and should be regulated to accept all legal speech.
  - dragontamer 2y ago
    > What makes it “obvious” that this was due to someone disliking this group? Same reason for all the other Twitter bans over the last two years. Elon Musk controls Twitter. Then he bans lawyers and kids (who track airplanes legally). Its not about legally correct anymore, its about what Elon Musk likes or doesn't like. Its 2024. Elon's been in control of Twitter for nearly 2 years now. You think we haven't figured out the pattern yet? Even a "blessed" pro-Elon simp gets banned because he uses Substack (and Elon suddenly starts to hate Substack Notes for pushing into Twitter's Spaces, if you pardon my pun). Its Elon's Twitter now. That's fine, he paid $44 Billion for it. Good luck getting advertisers now though. > Twitter is closer to the middle now but still not right wing. Dude. Elon just endorsed Donald Trump and is using Twitter to openly attack Kamala right now with AI Deepfakes. The idea that this space is anywhere close to neutral is laughable. And the idea that Elon Musk is bound by the rules of Twitter or can reasonably be a neutral party when he's in 100% control of the platform is also laughable. There's no pretend neutrality on this platform anymore. He's gone full mask-off now. ------- Are AI Deepfakes of politicians saying fake things allowed? Of course not. Except if you're Elon. That's the rule. "If Elon Likes it, it stays. If Elon doesn't, it goes".
    - blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
      > You think we haven't figured out the pattern yet? But where is the evidence for your claimed reason for this particular ban? It doesn’t sound like you have any so this fits the modern definition of conspiracy theory. Also, what you’re calling a pattern is just a small set of anecdotes that have other possible explanations. Or at least that’s how HN would respond to this line of reasoning typically. Look I understand where you’re coming from, but I am asking you to hold to the same standards that the political left, who controls virtually all other technology platforms (and Twitter in the past), demands of the center and right when they complain about censorship. Otherwise all the labels used to dismiss legitimate speculation, like “conspiracy theory”, should apply here no? > Good luck getting advertisers now though. If I follow your reasoning, it sounds like you’re saying that the big advertising firms are controlled by the political left and would respond to this “pattern” by pulling ads for their clients. That might be true. But do we want a society where expression is suppressed in this way? It undermines the principles of free speech even if it is technically legal.
- lelanthran 2y ago
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JohnnyHerz 2y ago

feels like turnabout fair play to me as i sit here eating my bowl of popcorn... Twitter was biased against Conservatives and the Right screamed and cried foul. X is biased against Liberals and the Left screams and cries foul. (Shrug)

seattle_spring 2y ago
Except evidence and independent audits [1][2] regularly showed that conservative viewpoints were actually moderated away less than left wing views, specifically because of the constant cries of censorship. At best, recent research shows insufficient evidence of bias in either direction [3]. [1] https://www.cjr.org/the_media_today/platform-bias.php https://www.cjr.org/the_media_today/platform-bias.php [2] https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/26/censorship-conservatives-social-media-432643 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/26/censorship-conserva... [3] https://itif.org/publications/2023/10/26/the-facts-behind-allegations-of-political-bias-on-social-media/ https://itif.org/publications/2023/10/26/the-facts-behind-al...